Kuwaiti: 'The terrorist Katrina' is a soldier of Allah'

You people sound like a haggeling bunch of Old ladies!! To each their own but if you cross my path with your Musilum BS I have no pitty on you for all I see is an enemy that tried to destroy my freedom by your chicken s_ _ t tactics!
Come on out an fight so I can send your A_ _ Packing back to Allah himself!

I am not a PC type person and if ever confronted by one of those radical Bast _ _ _s I would shoot first and then ask questions. As I said before...

KTALGSTO!!!!!!!

Lock and Load Marine!

 

If you want to judge what is happening in the middle east, it would appear that the Qu’ran they use, required it’s followers to fall upon the helpless civil population after a victory had been won. It requires them to sack and burn down villages and towns after the defenders have died fighting or had fled. The doctors and educators, along with women and children invited their special attention in mass murders of non-combatants. The temples and monasteries were their special targets in an orgy of pillage and arson. The magnitude of the booty looted even from the bodies of the dead, was a measure of the success of a military mission. And they did all this as mujahids (holy warriors) and ghazls (kafir-killers) in the service of Allah and his prophets.

 

I saw a fascinating program on the history of the Middle East last night on PBS. I'm sure that the fact that it was on PBS made most of the conservatives in this group skip right past the program and settle into PAX, but, I digress...

I have to give some of credit where credit is due. There is a growing radical Islamic movement that is definitely anti-western. I don't know if it numbers in the millions as has been claimed but Muslims are the largest religion on the planet so it is conceivable that it could be a significant number. I see that the actual number gets quite a bit of attention in this forum and all I really have to say is that between the Islamic propaganda and the west's best estimates, no one really knows how many are out there. Our intelligence in the region is sparse at best and what exactly constitutes an Islamic terrorist is a matter of opinion. If we're talking just suicide bombers, than it certainly isn't in the millions. If we're talking those merely sympathetic to the suicide bombers, we could be well into the millions. But, does sympathy for a cause really make you a terrorist?

For decades, the Arabs have had outside influences such as the English, the French, the Germans, the Americans, and the Russians to blame and rally against. After WWII, they only had brutal dictatorships and police states to replace the foreigners. The dictatorships where financed and supported from abroad by the former colonizers and occasionally overthrown by them. When Arabs banned together to fight the Israelis in 1967, they were crushed in less than a week. They reacted pretty badly to this and focused on the seized territories they lost as a consequence of the war and the corrupt rulers used the Palestinian battle cry to redirect anger away from their ruined economies.

The governments of these nations allowed the religious leaders in their countries to teach a brand of Islam known a wahbism that very strictly forbid non-Muslims from even being on Arab soil. Women's rights were non-existent and the west is regularly demonized as evil. In these schools, children are taught that there is no world outside of their country until age 12. They are completely brain washed into this brand of Islam. Bin Laden was a student of one of the schools.

Now we have a generation of Arabs that find that their leaders are fat, lazy, and corrupt and not following the Koran as strictly as they were taught. Some of them rebel and are exiled and form a radical Islamic organization designed to undermine the powers in the Middle East by taking aim at those that support them-the west. It actually makes perfect sense if you think about it. The movement has a fair amount of sympathy from the routinely oppressed populace of course and begins to spread.

So here we are today with Islamic extremists taking aim at us every chance we they get. What do we do? Kill them all? That's genocide which we, as a country, are pretty much against no matter how you look at it. Do we simply hunt them down where ever they are and create dozens of new converts for every one we eliminate? Seems like a losing strategy. Or, do we reassess our approach to the whole region? Figure out what we are doing right and what we are doing wrong. I don't know what the eventual answer will be to this complicated question. I do know however those simple-minded emotional answers like genocide are out of the question for a supposedly Christian based country such as ours. And if you still feel that killing all Muslims is the answer, you my friend are a class A hypocrite in the first degree with no more credence that the radicals on the other side. You are two peas in a pod and I don't have time for either type of idiot. Consider your own position.

 

Meon...

That was one of the best articulated and written responses in any thread I read. I like history as well and you make a good argument. I really mean it!

I can't hide my emotions as we deal with islamic terrorists. You know how I feel...but your type of argument is the one I definitely appreciate over beer and wings. First beer is on me...even though I still can't hide my feelings about the "religion of peace" and I may not agree how to handle this "cancer" of the free world.

 

WOW! Thank you! I didn't expect that. It's just my opinion and some fascinating history all mixed together. The documentary I saw was insightful and had a lot of view points I hadn't considered. If anyone is interested in seeing it, I'm sure there is a reference to it on the PBS website.

Obviously, I included, emotions get the best of us at times and in my case, I come off much stronger than I intend to. I believe that we are treading on new territory these days and we need to look for new solutions instead of the solutions offered by past generations to yesterday's problems. I think that our responses have been anticipated by a cunning enemy and we are playing into their hands by not hitting them with something different. Maybe it's some combination of hunting for their leaders and hunting for hearts and minds at the same time. Who knows?

I applaud differing opinions because that is where the next solution to this terrorism problem will likely come from. For all I know, the pigs blood idea will solve this once and for all. We need to be tolerant of other opinions even when they don't jive with ours. Any military, sports, or business group will tell you that you get more accomplished as a team than as an individual.

Keep putting yourself out there and keep an open mind. And don't forget to collect a few coins on the way.

 

Having watched most of the news releases, including PBS, I can say with fairly good confidence that I've never heard broad Muslim condemnation of their fellow Muslims' murderous acts committed in the name of their God. If anything, there has been jubilation and dancing in the streets in the wake of Muslim attacks on Westerners. Contrast their response to the widespread Western condemnation of the, mild by comparison, behavior of a few coalition forces in Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

Just as an aside, "Can anybody name three ongoing world conflicts in which Muslims are not involved?" It would seem that they can't get along with their neighbors on much of the planet: France, Chechnya, Bosnia, Indonesia, Spain, Morocco, India, Tunisia, Somalia, etc., etc., etc."

A class A hypocrite made this observation:
"While all Muslims may not be terorists,
it would appear that all terrorists are Muslims"....or so it would appear!

 

During the 1930's, many people of Germany stated that the behavior of a few dressed in brown shirts surely does not represent the majority of the "peaceful, loving German population." Across the world, I am sure the same feelings were expressed by Japanese citizens as well. How can you condemn the whole when only a few are "extreme"? Sound familiar?

At the time, the rest of the world bought into this nonsense and look what happened...6 years of fighting World War II and 50 million dead. The United States didn't start these wars, but we sure finished them! I love when the "left" suggests that we have no businenss in Iraq (only Afghanistan). Using that same logic, we surely had no business fighting Germany as the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor, NOT the Germans (unless you are watching National Lampoon's "Animal House")!

If Islam is a "religion of peace", then Muslims throughout the world better rise up and exorcise this cancer from their "religion of peace". Mulsims are going to have to prove through actions, not words, that they are a people of peace. The terrorist element that associates itself with "allah's will" must be eliminated not only by the citizens of the free and civilized world, but the unconditional support and actions of islamic people. Dancing in the streets as you burn temples, hang civilians from bridges, or celebrate the destruction caused on 9/11 is NOT a way to make friends and influence people. Matter of fact it makes people like me one step closer to nuking the place.

Don't make the same mistake Germany and Japan made 70 years earlier. You are sooooo lucky we have "smart" bombs today as if it were me, I would be carpet bombing the entire region similar to what we did druring World War II.

After all, as General Sherman stated on his march to the sea during the Civil War..."War is hell!" Believe me...if it is hell you want, we will bring it!

 

The US was not at war with Germany until Nazi Germany declared war on 11 Dec 1941.

Christian

 

Thank you DAN. Now, I wish the non-muslim defenders of the Quran take some time and read what they are actually defending.

As for the upswing of Islamic war, it has been going on for a very very long time it was slowed down by western imperilism but before that what is called Turkey today at one time was a Christian nation, Egypt was once a Christian nation, Gaza was once all Jewish and this was after the Romans, More recently Lebanon was once a proud Christian nation.. etc...It goes on and on inside of the Middle East and outside as well. What the policy used to be was kill all the men and boys and make the attractive young women and girls as sex slaves whose children will be Muslims and this old policy is still being used in the Sudan and other parts of Africa today.

I wish people who defend those who want to kill us read the Quran and read the history resulting from it up to modern news.

By the way I am not a member of the far right nor the right nor a republican.
I am a realist.

 

Your statement OldDan brings up another point. How much should we blindly trust the pictures painted by the media. I'll give you an example from my own life:

I lived in Seoul Korea in the late 80's. During that period (and actually the decade before and after) there were often demonstrations by college age students. On occation, these turned confrentational to the point of tear gas and fire bombs. That being said, I witnessed first hand one of these demonstration/riots. There were less than 2,000 demonstrators and VERY heavily armed riot police. The next night (US news broadcast being delayed a day) I saw ABC's nightly news do a segment on the exact riot I had seen. The picture painted through commentation and video bites was of a demonstration of 10s of thousands and that this level of unrest was true of nearly ALL college age students in Korea. I nearly fell out of my seat. At first I laughed until the ugly truth of it hit me. I have NEVER trusted our US news since and it has only become worse.

A more recent example (not from personal experience) is the "dancing in the street muslims" shown at the time of the WTC attack. US Journalists that were there have stated that the dancing occured only when the cameras turned on and the crowd knew it. Americans do the same thing at football and baseball games. Next time you watch a game, mute the TV and think to yourself "Americans were seen cheering and celebrating when the WTC came down" and you get the idea. Its dirty biased journalism.

Just a few years ago I was floored again when a prominent Boston news station ran an add for their news broad cast stating "We not only bring you the news, we tell you what it means". Someone there realized how horrific this statement was and the add was pulled 3 days later, I was unable to record it.

Don't get me wrong, I am a patriot through and through. I grew up as a military dependent and support our troops 110%. I strongly feel that extremist muslims views of western cultures is a real and daily threat to our existance, let alone our way of life. But I also feel (I am guilty of this too) that we too often let our emotions and opions be formed by the LIMITED information the news media DECIDES we are to receive so they can make a $ advertising. And that folks, its more scary to me than working everyday overlooking ground zero......which I do.

 

I very valid point and one in which I will take into consideration in the future. Thanks for the heads-up!

 

Living overseas does more than expose one to a different culture. It teaches you a lot about your own culture. Living in England two summers ago, I realized just how sanitized and spoon fed American journalism has become. We get very different takes on the facts than our European friends. I like to listen to the BBC at midnight because you get to hear many of the same stories you just were exposed to by the networks. If the topics weren't the same, you'd swear they were different stories.

If you believe everything you hear or read just because it was produced here in the US, you are clearly a propoganda consumer. With more in common with those muslims dancing in the street than I bet you are comfortable with. Just think about it.

 

We knew that if we declared war on Japan (December 8th), that we would have to fight Germany since they were both allies. After all it was just a matter of time as we were helping England with the Lend-Lease Act.

But using today's "left logic"...since Germany didn't attack us, they would cried all over television as the "wrong war , at the wrong time, at the wrong place". Those poor German insurgents...they were just trying to cleanse Europe.

How dare we fight them...

 

Because Nazi Germany, as I wrote above, declared war on your country? Drawing "historic" parallels, whether to WW2 or Vietnam etc., when it comes to the wars your country is currently fighting, will usually not work well. The US administration sure supported its later allies before December 1941, but was not militarily involved until that day.

Christian

 

"Your statement OldDan brings up another point. How much should we blindly trust the pictures painted by the media"

Isn't the media the ones are always saying that Islam is a religion of love?

If you ask me, the majority stock share holders in the media must
come from the middle east either thru a dummy fund or straight up holdings.

 

My guess is that they probably have closer ties to Israel.

 

Did you ever hear of the "Flying Tigers" and those pilots that helped fight Germany in the Battle of Britian?

You are right...we should have called the Nazi's "insurgents". Last thing I wish to do is hurt the feelings of a Nazi. As for "the wars my country is fighting"...all I can say is at least we have the guts to fight. Also...never in the history of the world has one country won so many battles and yet, taken so few of the spoils...

You are right...this country is evil because we did take some real estate to bury our dead.
I spoke recently to this France national in my travels and he blasted me for my support of the war. I told him he spoke english very well and I also asked him if he knew any other lanquage, like German?

He replied, "I only speak my native French and, but of course, your English". I looked at him in straight in the eye and said, "Your welcome!!"

 

Trying to justify a war by pointing at a previous one is always difficult. Comparing a 21c war in the Middle East with a global (or almost global) one that ended 60 years ago is of course possible, except some people may wonder why one would do that. "We did the right thing back then", one may say - and most people in this world including today's France and Germany, will agree. That kind of agreement is something you will not find when it comes to most post-WW2 wars, be it Vietnam or Bosnia, conflicts in Central/South America or Africa.

Those who fought in WW2 and liberated Western Europe will be kept in memory, and rightly so. But they should be remembered for what they did, not instrumentalized for what others are doing now.

Christian

 

So, now I am just curious here: is there any country that you guys actually like, or are Americans just supposed to hate everybody? I'm kind of confused about that point, because you all seem to pretty well find something to hate about every other person on this planet.

I only ask, because if Americans ARE supposed to hate every other culture and religion on this planet, then I've been going about it all wrong, and I will really start offending foreign influences.

~AJ