Keith Obermann is Back 6/20 @8PM

Just say it, you pu....

 

So trying I follow you, if for some reason you only had the 2 options of killing 10 babies or killing 10,000 babies. Obviously, you would pick the 10, but by doing so, you did not save any babies? HUH?

 

I don't deny jack. But I'm not the one without the testicular fortitude to stand behind what I write. You are the one who evades simple requests. And replacing Lehigh for another word for rectum is just as nasty as if you said the word. But you are what you are.

 

So trying I follow you?

 

You're missing the point. I don't want my government killing babies.

 

Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. I stand behind everything I say. I'm surprised you even said that you don't deny using a nasty word. For once, you stood up for yourself.

Do you suffer from mental retardation? I'm beginning to think so. How do you know I didn't mean to replace the word "butterfly" with "Lehigh" as in, "Opinions are like butterflies"? I'll tell you how you don't know: I didn't say the word you're thinking of! In your world I'm sure that doesn't make sense, but then not all of us are living in La-La Land. Jeeeez, to think I'd call Lehigh an (other word for "rectum")! Get your mind out of the gutter, nasty-talking and dirty-thinking man.

 

There is a forest out there. Quit looking at the leaves. So if we had to kill those 10 to keep someone else from killing 10,000, that is not right? Do you really think it makes a difference who does the deed?

I still have no idea whether or not we should have gone in there, but your argument is so lame that, if anything, is more convincing me that we should have gone in.

 

I'm sorry you feel that way. Instead of 10, how about if we kill 10,000 babies in order to save another 10,000? Does that make it right? Could you personally slice a baby's throat in order to save another baby? Would you be willing to sacrifice your son's or daughter's life if it meant saving two strangers?

We're not talking about trees and leaves here. We're talking about human beings.

 

I really do not believe any of us here know any Libyan babies and probably not any Libyans. Sons or daughters, get real. Your only valid argument is 10,000 versus 10,000. That is my confusion because it is more than just what Gaddafi would do versus what we would do. Even if that turns out to be 10 versus 10,000, the future leader might just do 20,000 or be the best thing that could ever have happened to Libya. BO might have some inkling of that future, but no one here does.

 

So, let's be clear... are you saying their lives are inconsequential insofar as we (Americans) are concerned?

It was a valid question, albeit presented hypothetically. If you could slaughter one human being in order to save two human beings, would you? What if the human being was your son or daughter?

I agree that we don't know what the future will hold. The removal of Ghadaffi is, in my opinion, a good thing. However, that's not America's stated goal. We're supposedly in Libya for "humanitarian" reasons. I don't see how killing civilians is "humanitarian". Perhaps if the U.S. had tried diplomacy or just set up blockades in order to starve Ghadaffi's supply lines so that he couldn't replenish, then I would probably agree with those tactics as long as innocent civilians weren't killed. Bombing Libyan cities with Tomahawk missiles and predator drones thereby killing civilians (including babies) is not humanitarian.

 

Your first 2 comment do not even deserve the space they take up.

You are just a bit idealist on the last part. The removal of Gaddafi is a good thing, but you cannot do anything to try to get rid of him. Nice, but you really think asking him to leave will work? Dream on. Blockades? We don't have enough boats or people. And then what do we do if they shoot at us. Duck? If you think we are randomly bombing Libyan cities, you are sick. They are targeted not to kill civilians. Perfect, no way. In the mean time, just how many civilians do you think Gaddafi has killed? I would be willing to bet that he has killed more - orders of magnitude more and I mean literally orders of magnitude more.

Now we are back to the 10 versus 10,000. I gave you one part of the answer, but it is far from complete. If you know anything about the rest, speak up. Elsewise, have fun arguing with yourself.

 

I can understand your unwillingness to go on record stating that you'd sacrifice your own for a stranger. But, please keep in mind that those babies in Libya have mothers and fathers who feel the same.

The removal of Ghadaffi is not Obama's stated reason for being in Libya. Should he be removed during the "humanitarian" assistance operation, so be it. But, the fact is that I don't believe we should be in Libya in the first place.

How many civilians would we have killed in Libya if we weren't there? Had Obama not bombed Libya, there would be no Libyan blood on his (and America's) hands. Enough with being a war-hawk.

I suppose you're one of those who wants America to be the world's policeman? We have enough wanton murder to deal with in America.

No argument here. No one will ever convince me that killing civilians is the right thing to do whether or not it's labeled a "humanitarian mission", "war", "overseas kinetic operation" or anything else.

 

So much for no more personal insults. You have to be the biggest butterfly in this forum. You also called him a ''pu...''. But I guess you meant punch. I thought you were a man. You lack the courage to even finish a word. But I forgot. Youre afraid of Lehigh. When you get a backbone, butterfly, then maybe you can try to retort.

 

I quit listening to your nonsensical ramblings a long time ago. Now, I just quickly scan your posts for a laugh and move on to something more interesting like dusting my clothes hangers. Have you ever said anything worthwhile in this forum? Seriously, you don't have a point of view and you don't respond with an intelligent argument, for example when Moen tears you to shreds. Putting more than two words together into a coherent thought seems to be an exercise in futility for you. But, that's OK... I still welcome you here in this forum. You're sort of like a mascot.

 

Ok. Butterfly