Just Another Second Amendment Solution

Once you claim that everyone else is blind because they disagree with your point of view and then follow that by comparing them to Hitler and Stalin, you have pretty much last all credibility in any argument. Can't people just have a different point of view from you without being aligned with the worst dictators in history? If not, who really cares what you think. Your opinions are too far gone to care about at that point anyway.

 

You are once again ignoring the facts. This thread was made using the Korean National as an example of the dangers of gun ownership and I have posted facts that these shooters like the one at Virgina Tech under law should not have had a gun in the first place but are flying under the radar on background checks for too many people want to defend their privacy issues of mental illness.

Did you read the link or are you just goose stepping the issue.

http://www.lcav.org/content/mental_health_reporting.pdf

Not my point of view, just facts.

 

I've seen this before. Just because the Nazis had "socialist" in their party name doesn't mean they were of the left. You can look at pretty much any political analysis and you will find that fascism is a phenomenon of the right.



The left has the evils of communism, the right, the evils of fascism. To try to throw it all on the left is silly.

 

What I was responding to was your comments in the post I quoted. How that makes me guilty of ignoring facts, I can't figure.

What Cho being a Korean National has to do with anything is beyond me as well. Cho passed 2 background checks from a licensed gun seller before they handed him all the weapons he wanted. The loophole was that he was an outpatient not an institutionalized head case so he wasn't denied the guns he purchased. Wonder who fought for that loophole?
If gun laws aren't tight enough to catch people like Cho, don't blame the Left or the Law, there is only one organization that has an issue with any and all gun regulations in this country and that is the GOP supporters known as the NRA. They have never supported any restrictions of any kind on gun purchases and have continued to recklessly have reasonable restrictions overturned on any type of firearms regulations. If they could sell guns in vending machines inside of preschools, I'm sure they'd jump at the chance.

 

I prefer this political spectrum which indicates that the left wing advocates complete government control (Communists, Nazis) while the right advocates minimal government control.

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Here's an opinion page which outlines Hitler's leftist views which you might find interesting:

http://woody.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/02/fyi-hitler-was-a-socialist.html

 

Guns are a unique product, they create a need for themselves.

 

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler

 

double post

 

This is from Hitler's biography. It was from his time as a soldier in the 1st WW...

His fellow soldiers described him as "odd" and "peculiar". One soldier from his regiment, Hans Mend, claimed that Hitler was an isolated figure who spent long periods of time sitting in the corner holding his head in silence. Then all of a sudden, Mend claimed, he would jump up and make a speech. These outbursts were usually attacks on Jews and Marxists who Hitler claimed were undermining the war effort.

Yeah, Hitler sounds like a real dyed in the wool Leftist here. NOT!!!
Benito Mussolini a well-known fascist and close ally of Hitler, must have lied to Hitler all those years and fooled him into thinking that he was a Socialist. Riiiiiiiight! RW talking points are just so absurd.

 

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/

 

Maybe I would consider Dr. Ray's views on the topic a little more seriously if his bias weren't so apparent. Here are some more quotes from one of his blogs that I'm sure you would agree with:

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Hitler's Nazi regime was allied with the Italian Fascist Mussolini and Hirohito's Imperial Japan neither of which could be considered vaguely Socialist in nature but for some reason Hitler was a Socialist according to the Right-wingers in this forum. Can anybody really maintain that level on naiveté and not literally fall over dead from forgetting how to breathe?

 

Opinions are like.. well, you know. Everybody has one.

 

You just might want to stop quoting a mad man as proof of his own position. I’m just saying that using Hitler's quotes as proof that Hitler was what you say he was seems a little like taking the word of a convict for his own innocence. I think it is well-known that he was insane so he’d pretty much say anything in the moment but if you want to use him as your source you are pretty much giving up any legitimacy your argument could possibly have. But you are a Right-winger and if Hitler’s words mean that much to you, you go with it. I personally choose to not believe the insane man’s words and choose instead to look at his actions and his allies. No wonder the RW'ers are such an easy mark for the likes of Glenn Beck.


P.S. WHEN IS THIS SITE GOING TO STOP WORKING LIKE CRAP?

 

If anything about the man is true, it's that he believed his own words. I have no doubt that Hitler despised capitalists and believed in a leftist form of total control of government which, he believed, was a better form of government than what free enterprise and capitalism offered.

 

That's Saudi-talk!

 

Anarchy and mob rule are not "minimum" control, they are "no" control. That unique quality disqualifies them as an ideal state of government... since there would be none at all.

 

It's probably the ad-generating scans, they analyze every word you write, or in some cases type, in order to create ads that you may be interested in. Or did you mean when are Republicans going to wholeheartedly endorse Romney? It's a similar type of crap.

As an example: The only ad on this page (for me) has a large picture of a handgun on it.

 

If one studies the history of the Nazi party, it becomes clear that there was a strong socialist element in its early days. That was thoroughly purged in the early 30s, particularly in the "Night of the Long Knives." The party was effectively socialist in name only after that, and despite ideological propaganda to the contrary, became corporatist/fascist. This orientation is considered a far-right position by pretty much all reputable political scientists. As I said, both the left and the right have their dark/extremist side, (Communism and Fascism respectively) and those who would deny that are pretty much always doing so because of ideological reasons, as is the case with Dr. Ray.

 

Hitler might well have said that he wanted German troops to police the occupied Russian territories but the reality of it was that the Schutzmannschaftant-battalions did the job. and they were not German. The same in the West take the French Police's

Brigade Speciale tasked with hunting down Resistance fighters and Jews ​

(Look up Rene Bosquet,). It happend in Norway under Quisling. and in many other occupied lands What that man said and what he authorised are 2 different things.​