It Has Begun

Discussion in 'Politics' started by CoinOKC, Jan 22, 2025.

  1. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Frankly, I could care less what sort of legacy you folks try to portray Trump in as long as my wife is safer when she steps out of her car alone…… This ranks up there with water boarding is cruel and unusual. Phooey. You lie with dogs, you get fleas. These are people who define their lives in a manner that is dangerous to the rest of us law abiding folk. I don’t care if you string them up by their gonads because they wouldn’t think twice about doing the same to you or me.
     
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  2. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Citation, please.
     
  3. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

  4. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    The fact of the matter is that you wouldn't give a rat's ass about CECOT if it hadn't been for your hero/victim du jour, Abrego-Garcia and the Left's willingness to use any arrow, blunt or otherwise, in their quiver to attack President Trump.

    P.S. You forgot to mention the margaritas.

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  5. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I like this, because...well....standard "...Idinnadoit and they beat me...", failing to recognize self-invitation of any ALLEGED actions by authorities that he is a CITIZEN OF THE STATED SOVERIGN COUNTRY, committing the actions, and evaded legal action against him while a citizen of the stated Sovereign Country and illegally entered the Sovereign Territory of the United States of America, for the purpose of fleeing and avoiding law enforcement action in the said Sovereign Territory for his illegal activities while a legal citizen of said Sovereign Territory , and, accordingly, charged by the U.S. Dept. Of Justice of violating the Laws of The United States, and continuing to engage in criminal and civil activities while illegally residing in the United States of America.

    That seems to be a legacy of the U.S. Federal Republic, that has defended the United States of America against all enemies FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, for the previous and present 249 years of existence.

    I agree it is the legacy of the PRESENT POTUS Trump, and, except for the past POTUS Biden, exhibits an unvarnished continuing legacy of every POTUS (excepting POTUS Biden) of upholding and defending the Constitution of The United States Of America.
     
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  6. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    You maybe could, but, the reality is, you couldn't, which is the coincidentally, the same reality for me:

    I COULD'NT CARE LESS. But (there is always a "But"), even if I could, I wouldn't.
     
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  7. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    As to the cited document, it was prepared by Garcia's leftist legal team. So much for objectivity. Their Leftist shenanigans know no bounds. As I've pointed out before, the US Constitution, including every one of its amendments applies only to citizens of the United States. That's the whole reason so many years and so much inconvenience are required to naturalize in this nation . . . that time and effort are necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff. If folks could simply walk across the border anywhere, anytime and any way they feel like it, we'd have too many to handle . . . that's already been demonstrated.

    In short, Garcia has no Constitutional rights!


    Now regarding CECOT, GW'd surely care about it, as he'd be leaving his feet, hands in the air, cheering for Trump to go there!
     
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  8. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I’ll forgo the “Charlie Edit”….. It would be stealing your thunder!
     
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  9. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Most of what he claimed was in the "promotional" video made by Bukele.
     
  10. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I don't see a future for this country without Nuremburg style trials once this is over.
     
  11. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Oh please…. Turn off MSNBC and go shoot some firecrackers.
     
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  12. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    True . . . let's start with Barry, Hillary & Jobie.
     
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  13. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    LOL! Let me just say this: On a personal level, I don’t care what sovereign countries do to their criminals, how they try or imprison them or even how they execute them.

    Sure, the humanitarian in me wants to help everyone in the world, but that’s pie-in-the-sky idealism and is simply wishful thinking.

    If Abrego Garcia was an American citizen, I would care. But, he’s not and I don’t.
     
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  14. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    We sent them there, wrongfully, and you voted for the torture.
     
  15. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Will there be an apology for the antisemitic term? Doubt it. Hence why nobody believes the right when they say they're actually the champions of fighting antisemitism.

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  16. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    My recommendation to you would be to not immediately take what someone says at face value.

    Back it up with evidence... maybe some photos for instance.

    I'm just saying that this guy is probably going to have a hard time convincing people that he was mistreated after they see him gardening, playing chess, playing soccer, fishing, watching a big screen TV in his cell and enjoying margaritas on the veranda.


    Bukele mocks Abrego Garcia's torture claims with prison highlight reel

    Video shows Abrego Garcia enjoying soccer, gardening and fishing while imprisoned

    July 4, 2025

    El Salvador President Nayib Bukele has released a video highlight reel showing Kilmar Abrego Garcia apparently thriving during his imprisonment, in an attempt to refute the migrant’s claims that he was tortured while in custody.

    Abrego Garcia, who was erroneously deported by the Trump administration to El Salvador and then returned after a court order, is seen in the video gardening, playing soccer, fishing and enjoying other leisurely activities while imprisoned in his home country.

    The video appears at odds to Abrego Garcia's claims in legal filings that he was severely beaten, deprived of sleep and psychologically tortured while detained in the country’s Terrorism Confinement Center, or CECOT, a notorious anti-terrorism prison.

    According to court documents, Abrego Garcia’s physical condition deteriorated quickly upon arrival there and, within two weeks, he lost roughly 31 pounds.

    But Bukele pushed back against those claims on Thursday, claiming he actually put on weight and released video evidence to refute claims of torture.

    The video shows Abrego Garcia in seemingly good spirits, playing chess and soccer, working out with fellow inmates, doing gardening and relaxing while watching a widescreen television in his cell, among other leisurely activities.

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    "If he’d been tortured, sleep-deprived, and starved, why does he look so well in every picture?" Bukele wrote on X. "Why would he gain weight? Why are there no bruises, or even dark circles under his eyes?"

    "The man wasn’t tortured, nor did he lose weight. In fact, photos show he gained weight while in detention. There’s plenty of footage from different days, including his meeting with Senator Van Hollen, who himself confirmed the man seemed fine."

    Bukele went on to rip the mainstream media for seemingly believing the claims.

    "Apparently, anything a criminal claims is accepted as truth by the mainstream media and the crumbling Western judiciary," Bukele wrote.

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    Under Bukele’s state of emergency, the government has detained more than 1% of the Central American nation’s population in its war on the country’s gangs. The president has turned what was once the most dangerous country in the world -- with a homicide rate of 103 per 100,000 people in 2015 -- into one of the safest in the Western Hemisphere, with 1.9 per 100,000 inhabitants in 2024. The U.S. rate was 5.5 per 100,000 people in 2023, which are the most recent records available.

    Hundreds of people have died in the El Salvador prisons, according to the Associated Press, citing human rights groups, which have also documented cases of torture and deteriorated conditions.

    Abrego Garcia, who was living in Maryland after coming to the U.S. illegally, was deported to El Salvador in March 2025. He became a prominent face of the Democrats' resistance to the Trump administration’s mass deportation plans.

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    The Trump administration accuses them of being an MS-13 gang member, a human trafficker and a serial domestic abuser amid police reports by his wife that he used violence against her.

    Abrego Garcia's lawyers claimed when he arrived at the prison he was immediately frog-marched to his cell by prison guards, who kicked him with boots and struck him with wooden batons along the way, leaving visible bumps and bruises across his body.

    He and other detainees in the cell slept on metal mattresses, with minimal access to food and satiation. They were also forced to kneel for approximately nine hours, from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m., "with guards striking anyone who fell from exhaustion," per the filings.

    They claim he was also psychologically tortured and received threats of violence during his time at CECOT where prison guards repeatedly told him they would transfer him to other prison cells housing violent gang members, whom they assured him would "tear" him apart.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bukele-mocks-abrego-garcias-torture-claims-prison-highlight-reel
     
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  17. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    President Trump should apologize for using that term.

    Just like when Biden apologized for using that term which, by the way, is why nobody believes the Left when they say they're actually the champions of fighting anti-Semitism.
     
  18. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Because he admitted he was wrong, apologized, and committed to change?

    I don't believe Trump has the courage to apologize when he's wrong. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath
     
  19. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Much better to just believe staged propaganda from the death camps, yes?
     
  20. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    But, honestly, Biden didn't actually apologize in the strictest sense. He said it was a "poor choice of words". Biden, along with most Leftists, is still an anti-Semite and probably would have preferred using a better "choice of words" that was even more racist and biased.
     

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