I Don't Care...I Really Don't!

The lady who wrote this letter is Pam Foster of Pamela Foster and Associates in Atlanta She's been in business since 1980 doing interior design and home planning. She recently wrote a letter to a family member serving in Iraq .... Read it...I agree with her 100%

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Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and many times before?

Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?

Well, I don't. I don't care at all.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in many islamic coutries like Saudi Arabia

I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques...but when this very religion calls for jihad, what do you expect?

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured that I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Carter and ---- you guessed it - - I don't care ! ! ! ! !

If we don't kill these animals there instead of here, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country.

Let me add:

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan

 

Perfect! I totally agree!

 

WOW, what a heart. Great Post!!!:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

 

9/11 was the action of al Qaeda members who for the most part were from Saudia Arabia and Egypt, were said to be funded by Saudi sympathizers, and who are most likely presently located in western Pakistan. It is very important to correctly define the objective. The objective seems to be to "fight terrorism." Sometimes the objective is to "fight radical Islam" with radical Islam defined as most of Islam. Maybe the goal needs to be more narrowly defined as something such as, "to destroy the paramilitary forces who carried out the 9/11 attack and their leadership." Setting the goal as "fighting terrorism" is a little too open-ended in both time and scope, sort of like "fighting poverty" when poverty is defined as the bottom 10% of the population. There is no end to it. Folks mean well, and their patriotism is beyond question, but the aim is a little off target. After we "destroy the paramilitary forces who carried out the 9/11 attack and their leadership," if there is anything else that needs to be accomplished, we can take a fresh look at things and decide what the next step will be. But lets put first things first and focus on a real objective.

 

It just goes to show how confused people are when you talk about the war on terror and the war in Iraq. The war in Iraq is not the war on terrorism. All Muslims are not terrorists and I blame the folly of this administration for confusing otherwise well-intensioned people.

I watched a Frontline program the other night about Iraq and they interviewed everyone from Paul Bremmer to US Marine soldiers. What an eye opening program that was. Every member from the top military brass to the CPA(Coalition Provisional Authority) mismangered, misunderstood, and miscalculated every decision at pretty much every step. The only participants that performed with any degree of competence and well beyond were the US Marines when they were asked to perform a mission. Ironically, after being let down by their superiors and the civilian leaders of the Bush administration and countelss private contracts, they ended up paying with their lives more often than any of the other characters in this mess.

People in this country do get sick of war and losing their children for reasons they don't understand or choose to believe any longer. The criminally incompetent manner in which the Iraq war has been fought by our military and civilian leaders so far is a sad commentary on this countries ability to lead the world in a better direction. We deserve to tuck our tails between our legs and crawl home, even as our fighting men and women do more than is asked of them in a cause that instead of our leaders handling, Larry, Moe, and Curley certainly could have carried out. A dark day for the reputation of this country and we learned nothing again.

 

Going into Iraq made perfect sense in the war on Terror, After the invasion of Afghanistan, Taliban/Al Qada ducked, ran, and hid across every border in the region. They scattered into Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon, Right now we've got thousands of them cornered in Iran by occupying Iraq and Afghanistan.

We're not dealing with an enemy which honors flags, borders, or heads of state, we're dealing with murderous animals, ruthless criminals who are getting support from each other and hiding behind a sham of a religion, using children and women as their shield. They must be hit hard and hit often, every chance we get as a matter of fact. Whether you want it or care to admit it we're going to be in this war for generations and that is a sad reality...

Remember, fences mean nothing in a swamp and you can't just drain part of it. It's all or nothing...

 

Ben,

Even if there had been ironclad reasons to go into Iraq prior to, during and since(And I ain't sayin' there ever was)the level of incompetence and ineptness that has been displayed by those in charge, "The Deciders", is just plain embarrassing and painfully abhorrent. The wasted American and Iraqi lives is nothing short of criminal. You certainly have the right to believe as you wish but defending the policies and tactics that have been used so far is just... I don't even what it is...

I know that if I had been a soldier and found out that my fellow soldiers had been sent to do an impossible task, and that their lives had basically been thrown away because of the incompetence of their leaders, I'd be pretty P***ed off right now. How you continue to support those that orchestrated this debacle, I'll never know.

 

Moen, just because the reason to go into Iraq (or for that matter any other place in the middle east) isn't clear to you doesn't mean it's not valid, but many myself included can read between the lines. Again, like I posted in another thread; Disgruntled Democrats and Radical Republicans the US Government is aptly capable of keeping secrets and spinning fantastic stories. What you see on the news and hear on the radio or at rallies is simply what the government wants you to know and yes, it doesn't make a lot of sense much of the time.

Is there a better choice than Bush and Cheney" Of course there is and I'm going to vote for them next year. I'm tired of those two just as much if not more than you, but their agenda is a necessary evil Remember, you and I both only have one vote. But, I encourage you to vote early and as often as you feel safe come November 2008. BTW, the polls and the vast majority of the armed forces support the path the government has/is taken now, the Republican agenda is in the lead. The stories about the soldiers speaking out while in uniform are just that, stories... The report many times fails to mention the soldier is either incarcerated or AWOL...

But back to Iraq. In closing, you just can't withdraw all the forces in Iraq and leave a few hundred at an airfield or as trainers for the police. It's just not doable, they would be overrun, killed, and dragged thru the street just like what happened in Fallugha (sp) a couple of years ago. The only way to occupy a country like Iraq is with 100% TOTAL occupation. It's ugly, painful, and frustrating, but as each day goes by the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter. I for one honestly believe good will win out in this battle and the world will be a better place. The dirty work the USA and it's allies are taking on now will be heralded as "Actions Which Saved the Free-World" in 100 years, mark my words...

Peace, nothing more to say...
Ben

 

sort of a poorly informed Cindy Sheehan for the right wing, whoopty flippin doo

 

Well, oddly enough, 70% of the country disagrees with you. Maybe news has a tough time making it all the way out to your parts and attitudes change slowly, but the vast majority of us see this escapade for what it is and we are disgusted by what revelations are creaping out of this secretive administration.

I've seen more than a few interviews with soldiers in the field that aren't interested in the mission and don't know why they are still there. Then there was the trial of First Lt. Ehren K. Watada for refusing to deploy. Tell me again soldiers in uniform aren't bailing on this lie.

I never said Bush/Cheney were evil...Incompetent, inept, naive, inadequate, incapable, unequal, unfit, unqualified, insufficient, totally incapable of doing a job, unable, unqualified, lacking the qualities, as efficiency or skill, required to produce desired results, inapt, incapable, inefficient, inexpert, unskilled, unskillful, unworkmanlike....I've said, but evil? I equate evil with cunning and guile. They'd have to work a bit to make it all the way to evil. :mouth:

You and I will never understand each other I'm afraid.

 

Let's review this again in case someone missed it...

Al Qaeda did not hide in Iraq. Saddam was a strong opponent of radical Islam and a strong proponent of secularism. This is not to say there were no members of Al Qaeda hiding in northeast Iraq in the territories under the no-fly zone where Saddam couldn't get to them, but it was not a safe haven [as was Afghanistan] until the US overthrew Saddam and turned it into a terrorist training ground. To state that Al Qaeda hid in Iran is ridiculous. Al Qaeda is a predominently Sunni movement and are sworn enemies of the Iranian government, which is Shiite. Iran is said to have given the US some covert aid when we invaded Afghanistan to go after the Taliban and Al Qaeda. [Sidebar: the destruction of the Sunni governments in Afghanistan and Iraq by the US has greatly elevated Iran's power in the region.] The same goes for Lebanon, which is also Shiite. It is possible that some of them hid in Syria and Saudi Arabia, which are mostly Sunni, but we apparently gave a free pass to those nations -- particularly Saudi Arabia. Pakistan is most likely protecting most of the remnants of Al Qaeda, but our "ally" won't permit us to pursue them there and we are afraid to do anything to destabilize a nuclear Islamic country.

A lot of people have opinions about Mid-East politics that are stronger than their command of the facts.

 

I also believe that if we pull out of Iraq at any point, the country won't suddenly fill up with terrorists. We are occupiers plain and simple. The Iraqis know it and want us out. They will take care of any terrorists left over from our misguided adventure. The Republican minority in congress is still pumping out the rhetoric that if we don't fight them there, they will come to our shores and we'll have to fight them on our soil in order to maintain their shrinking base of political support. Unfortunately, there still are Conservatives out there that bought this rhetoric in the beginning and can't let go of it even today.

Try and imagine if you will a boat load of Muslims storming the beaches of New Jersey in an all out invasion. If you say, that 's not the type of attack that is most likely, it will probably be along the lines of the 9/11 attack with airliners, or carbombs, hang gliders, or whatever, then you might want to consider that we have made Iraq a safer place and much more lawless society for terrorists to operate in since the invasion. So if you are in line with Conservative lawmakers and really believe that we need to stay in Iraq to keep the terrorists from attacking the U.S. while Iraqi insurgents use U.S. troops for target practice, I have to ask, how is our presence in Iraq helping to prevent terrorist attacks on our soil when we can't even stop attacks on our troops in Iraq? :headbang:

 

Unfortunately, (your facts) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q="al qaeda" iran&btnG=Search don't match-up with what the situation on the ground is. Perhaps public office would be a logical next step.

There are many remnants of the Taliban/A Qaeda seeking refuge in Iran and other areas off limits to US forces. Borders mean nothing to these Islamic fighters as they find sympathizers ready and willing to provide assistance. The Jihad against the west goes beyond political parties. The lion sleeps with the tiger in many instances...

Your vote can change things for tomorrow and beyond, but today the troops stay...

 

She said "I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs."

I'm pretty sure nirvana is strictly a Buddhist concept. Most of the conservatives I run into think everyone with the skin color of the terrorists are evil. Many of the people of that color are peace-loving Buddhists or Hindus.

Anyway. Why do some people LOVE war SO much!!???? I'll never understand it.

 

I think it is just an overraction to the fear that has been showered on us by our leaders. Americans don't like war and we certainly can't tolerate it for very long. We are so convinced that we need an enemy that we avoid more peace resolutions to our problems. For example, my wife was working on her doctorate at the Rand Corporation when the Berlin Wall fell. They were absolutely terrified that their funding would be reduced because of the diminished Russian threat. What happened next, we found Islam could be a perpetual enemy immediately and far into the future. War is big business and we are the "Masters of War". - Bob Dylan. Just wish we could actually win one.

 

Thanks for proving my point. Your own links indicate that Iran is the enemy of al Qaeda.

By Faye Bowers | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON – While much of the world is focused on US soldiers closing in on Saddam Hussein in Iraq, a much less-noticed but possibly even more important roundup is taking place in Iraq's neighbor to the east, Iran.
The Tehran government is holding several top-level Al Qaeda operatives that, experts say, could lead to the biggest breakthrough in curtailing the organization since the fall of Afghanistan.

Though the Iranians haven't mentioned any names, intelligence officials and press reports indicate they've captured Saad bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's son, who has assumed a leadership role; Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, the Al Qaeda spokesman; and Saif al-Adel, the latest No. 3 who is believed to be in charge of military operations.

Even more significant, according to one Western intelligence official, Tehran is also holding Al Qaeda's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who is known as an Islamic fundamentalist intellectual and eloquent speaker for the organization. While some US intelligence sources have expressed doubt that Iran really has Dr. Zawahiri, the European official says Tehran "absolutely" has him.

If so, his capture, along with that of the other top members, would deal a major blow to the terrorist network.

 

One small correction...

Conservative lawmakers do not support staying in Iraq. You have confused conservative with mainstream Republican. This can be excused as the media hammers this misinformation into the brains of Americans night after night. The truth is, there are very few conservatives in Washington. Chuck Hagel and Ron Paul come to mind, but there are so few of them that it would be hard for the conservatives in Congress to get a good poker game going.

 

This whole war is so messed up... I'm for it and against it....


I've got so many emotions stiring that I can't even formulate a propper sentance without going into a rant...

The "Terrorists" and enemies of our country must love to watch our news and other world news and see how divied we are...

 

... they should watch this once again

http://www.myvideo.de/watch/111672

 

I think petty much every one has seen it but again, go ahead and confuse the Iraq war with terrorism. Even though the Iraq escapade has made us more vulnerable to terrorism, some have bought the lie that we are there to prevent terrorism from coming to our shores. I guess some people can only be influenced by pictures and not by reason. So here you go...



When even the people that told the lies in the first place have had to back pedal their story, you truely have to wonder about those that are still using those same lies as justifications today. :rolling: :rolling: