How do you rate Pres. Bush

Discussion in 'Politics' started by craigG, Nov 11, 2005.

  1. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Tenet became head of the CIA under Clinton and served under Bush until June 2004.
    James Pavitt became the CIA's deputy director of operations under Clinton and served under Bush until his retirement as well.

    Taken from CNN which proves that they know this as well but state otherwise.

    "Tenet said his resignation will be effective July 11 -- the seventh anniversary of his 1997 appointment by then-President Bill Clinton.

    During Tenet's time in office, he led the CIA through the 1999 conflict in Kosovo, the al Qaeda terror attacks on New York, Virginia and rural Pennsylvania, and the wars in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Tenet has enjoyed a lifetime of public service

    In his remarks to employees, he praised the agency's "magnificent work" -- but he added, "Our record is not without flaws."

    "The world of intelligence is a uniquely human endeavor, and as in all human endeavors we all understand the need to always do better," Tenet said. "We are not perfect, but one of our best-kept secrets is that we are very, very, very good."

    Another key CIA official, James Pavitt -- the CIA's deputy director of operations who oversees all covert operations -- plans to announce his resignation Friday, U.S. sources told CNN Thursday.

    The sources said Pavitt's resignation is "entirely unrelated" to Tenet's -- that Pavitt's plan to resign has been in the works for three to four weeks.

    Pavitt, who has spent 30 years in the intelligence business, including the last five years as the CIA's deputy director of operations, testified before the 9/11 commission in mid-April. It marked the first time in the agency's history that someone of his position testified publicly.




    Taken from Louis Freeh's 911 commission statement.

    "President Clinton along with his National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, and Attorney General Janet Reno were clearly focused on terrorism during my tenure. Based upon my observations, President Bush and Dr. Rice were equally committed.

    On January 26, 2001 at 8:45 a.m., I had my first meeting with President Bush and Vice President Cheney. They had been in office four days. We discussed, among other things, terrorism and in particular al-Qaeda, the East African Embassy bombings, USS Cole attack and the June, 1996 al Khobar bombing in Saudi Arabia, When I advised the President that Hizballah and Iran were responsible for the Khobar attack, he directed me to follow-up with National Security Advisor Dr. Condoleezza Rice. I did so 2:30 p.m. that afternoon and she told me to pursue our investigation with the Attorney General and to bring whatever charges possible Within weeks, a new prosecutor was put in charge of the case and; on June 21, 2001, an indictment was returned against thirteen Hizballah subjects who had been directed to bomb Khobar by senior officials of the Iranian government. I know that the families of the 19 murdered Khobar Airmen were deeply grateful to President Bush and Dr. Rice for their prompt response and focus on terrorism.

    I firmly believe that any American President and Congress faced with the reality of September

    II would have acted swiftly and overwhelmingly as did President Bush and the 107th Congress, They are to be commended for their courageous political leadership and decisiveness."
     
  2. craigG

    craigG New Member

    I was asking about the weapons part.

    Regards,
    CraigG

    Answer: one.
    Question: How many psychics does it take to change a light bulb.
     
  3. lawdogct

    lawdogct New Member

    Ok...I hear yah. So I still have to ask you, at what point do people take responsibility for their own actions? Are you suggesting that the Fed Govt get so involved in our daily lives that we pay taxes for and receive our own personal government sanctioned and regulated behind wipers? I'm being facetious here, but honestly, that's where blindly believing Bush is solely responsible for the devastation of a hurricane and the lack of preparation, will lead this country.

    Were unqualified people put in charge of FEMA? Arguably so. Is the local government responsible for not bussing out the infirm, the young, the poor ahead of the storm? Undeniably YES. Is the local government responsible for not having a plan of action to take care of their own PRIOR to a devastating hurricane annihilating the city? YES. Is the local government responsible for going DECADES living below sea level and doing less than the bare minimum to prepare for the inevitable?

    NOTE: Hurricanes are like motorcycles....it is NEVER a matter of if they hit (or dump) but a matter of when. Hurricanes are not new news, particularly in the gulf region.

    Again, the answer is YES. Were the people who despite all the warnings, despite the over abundant information readily available with even a $2 radio responsible for the misery they endured by refusing to leave? Again, YES. Or how about the first 5 know victims of Katrina, the parents that took their 3 kids out on a boat as it passed the southern tip of FL? Were the the parents responsible for the death of their children and their own deaths? Again, sadly, YES.

    Why is Bush or any person he appointed solely responsible for individuals choice?

    And again why, WHY, would you even want the Federal Goverment watching your life THAT closely? (Move over Liberty and Freedom, say hello to Stalinism)

    Personal responsibility Danr, it all starts with personal responsibility.
     
  4. Danr

    Danr New Member

    Simply stated: if giulaini (or some other competent person) were in charge of FEMA fewer people would have died.
    As for the Louis Freeh thing I can't believe you would even mention that dirt bag's name.
     
  5. rambozo

    rambozo New Member

    and what no one points out is that those left behind didnt have to leave the city just the parts of the city that could flood.they didnt need buses they could have walked outside of the floodzone.
     
  6. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    How did FEMA kill anyone? No one starved to death. With hurricanes, FEMA is mainly an after the storm operation. Why don't you ask why did CNN state repeatly and had guests discuss the lie for hours upon hours that tens of thousands of people died?

    Not for anything but more people die in Florida on a given day when there are no hurricanes from accidents then when we do get hit by them.

    And when did Louis Freeh become a dirt bag, before Clinton appointed him-during Clinton's term of office-during Bushs first year-or after he left the FBI?
     
  7. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    I have to get back to you on that for the little that was written was written as small parts of larger articles or back page material.
     
  8. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Bush may not be the brightest bulb on the tree...
    He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed...
    He may be two fries sort of a happy meal...
    He may not even have a pair of brain cells to rub together to spark a coherent thought...
    But, the fact is he was put into office by many people that suffer from the same problems...Republicans.
    I wouldn't have expected any less from a group of people like that but somehow they delivered anyway. :)
     
  9. OldDan

    OldDan New Member

    Your right on this one, they always deliver. It's the Democrats who are standing around holding out their hands and "receiving" ever chance thay have.
    You know, it's called "GREED".
     
  10. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    Has anyone heard a Democrat say anything intelligent or thoughtful in the past ten years? What a bunch of droids.
     
  11. rambozo

    rambozo New Member

    im sure in my lifetime i will see new partys arise. i cant wait.
    2 partys(that have a chance to win) for 350 million people is crap.

    oh and having to stock pile funds and not willing to give it to people in need is greed.
    however im all for the "teach a man to fish" philosophy" but some times the teaching process cost money.

    and as far as a fair election. its who ever has more money in the end that will win or the one that will fold to big business.
     
  12. lawdogct

    lawdogct New Member


    Simply stated: You repeatedly avoid the issue of personal responsibility and continue to look for a singular scapegoat. Enjoy the dillusion, I'm done looking for reason.
     
  13. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Ah, His constituency speaks. I believe that you have your parties a bit mixed up. It has always been the Republican party that was considered to be greedy old, miserly, cold-hearted, selfish, self-interested, backwards looking, old money good old boys club. You guys are just upset because the Democrats want to take some of your wealth and share it with the poor. A noble gesture I guess, but hardly GREEDY.

    I believe greed is distinctly a Republian attribute. Well, unless, like Bush you just re-write the history of the Republican party. I wouldn't put it past you.
     
  14. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    What the heck does that make Bush? If that man ever said anything intelligent, the world would be shocked into their best imitation of a deer in head lights. Which oddly enough is Bush's normal look.
     
  15. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Whatever happened to the reported tens of thousands of dead that the leftwing media was stating and leftist talking heads were yelling about. It seems to me that Bush is not the most qualified person to be president but the democrat left of the party spends most of their time making up lies to discredit the man so the man must be doing something correct if they can not attack him with the truth.
     
  16. rambozo

    rambozo New Member

    anyone watch southpark? they had an epiode about somthing like hurricane katrina. bashed the dems the repubs and the all people that spent all that time debating whos fault it was instead of helping people... fan or not it was classic.
     
  17. Danr

    Danr New Member

    So you approve of Brown to head FEMA?
     
  18. Danr

    Danr New Member

    Simple question Andy on a scale of 1-10 (ten being corrupt to the extreme) how would you rate the Brown appointment to head FEMA?
     
  19. OldDan

    OldDan New Member

    Aha, a true Democrat speaking, and it could be said that using someone elses money to support the PC crowd's wish to buy votes is a Democratic attribute.
     
  20. Danr

    Danr New Member

    Fact is Reps spend MORE than dems. They bought many military votes
     

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