Hey, why don't we "LIBERATE" Burma?

Well if it has anything to do with our national security I say **** the UN. But in this case they are trying.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-10-23-un-burma_N.htm
You have to let deplomicy work first.

 

What if that hard decision meant your death so others could put gas in their car? You ok with that?

 

It is more than a gas issue. Weapons of Mass Destruction mean anything to anyone? 911 did happen. Yes, this country is too dependent on oil and that needs to be corrected, but not gonna happen overnight.

 

Well, that was a childish comment but let me ask you a question, are you ready to stop driving your car?


Don't bash leaders for ensuring our oil supply when you are part of the reason they need to get that oil.

Oil is used for supplying you electricity to power things like your computer too. Are you ready to give it all up? Are you ready to go back to riding horses and planting your own crops to live?


That is what is wrong with so many people these days, they make all sorts of attacks on things but they don't truly understand what they are saying.


It is like complaining about the loss of American jobs and then buying a foreign car to drive, you are the problem but attack those trying to fix the problem you helped to create.



By the way, if you would like to educate yourself on some of the reasons we went into Iraq, try reading this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/12/national/main521781.shtml


The war in Iraq was not about oil, was oil a consideration? Yes, but there were many higher considerations that came before the oil consideration.

 

LOL.. I meant, are you ok with me, as say, the leader of a foreign country, keeping the fabric of society strong, deciding you should die? I wanted you to look from the perspective of say an Iraqi grandfather? Not that of a soldier or even an American citizen..

Why is the question childish? Seems quite appropriate.. and trust me, I understand what I'm saying, I don't think you do..

A real man sacrifices their own life, not someone elses, so to answer your question, yes, I would give up my car, computer, my life, before I would cowardly sacrifice someone elses life.. I can learn to ride a horse, matter of fact, prolly prefer it.

Your life is worth that which you value least..it can be no other way.

I don't need to educate myself on why we went to Iraq, I'd prefer you educate me on why your life is worth more than anyone elses on the face of the entire Earth..Or better yet, why your car and computer are worth more than anyones life on the planet..

And one more thing, I've owned Ford, Pontiac and Chevy.. even though they decided to send most operations out of the country to save money on cheap labor.. the funny thing is, there are now Toyota's that are more "Made in America" than anything out of Michigan... who's the problem?

 

People die every day, the question is if they die for a good cause.

The war in Iraq had oil as a minor consideration to be sure, but it was not the main reason, or even close to major to be honest.

Fine, don't just talk though, do it. Turn off your computer, give away your car and live the live you "say" you are willing to live because as long as you are living the live of a consumer of oil, you are adding tot he problem, making it necessary to get that oil you are using.

It is easy to blast off your mouth when you will never give up anything. You want everyone else to give up their computers and cars but refuse to take that step yourself.

Stand up for what you "say" you believe in, do it now, don't wait for everyone else. Set the example.


Otherwise, you are part of the problem you claim other people are to blame for.

Ask yourself that question, you are using up as much oil as I am, if you are incapable of letting it all go, why attack others for doing the same as you?


If you think oil is why anyone is dying, then you do need to educate yourself on why we went to war in Iraq.

Nope, The Toyotas parts are shipped in and the profit is sent out of the Country. You do not help America buying an "american" Toyota.

 

What would be a good cause for YOU and your family to die?

What was the reason? Seems to me they had/have more reason to fear us then vice versa.

My society chose to take this path long before I was born, I adapt, do what I can, and speak my mind..

See above..

Words of truth are the example, rather, the lack of fear in speaking those words.

I accept 100% of the responsibilty, and if I could forfiet my life so no one on Earth ever has to have someone forfiet theirs, for them, again, I would.

I attack no one, and like I said, I adapt to the society the best I can, tell the truth, and can see where the path we chose, ends.

Educate me. Like I said, who was more of a threat to who and according to you, Iraq should have made the preemptive strike as their fear, is now a reality.

Fear through intimidation is not respect, despite popular opinion. People get to the point where death is preferable to life and will fly an airplane into a building to prove it. Fear fades, hate replaces it, vengence follows. Micro, and macro scales...

Nope, Toyota's are built right here in factories in the good ole USA.. and provide a more stable job for Americans than anywhere in Michigan. Sad, but true. And like I said, Ford, Pontiac, Chevy. No one in my family has ever owned anything but.. You? Ever owned a foreign car?

And where do you think the parts for Michigan are made and shipped in from?

 

There are no "good" reasons to die but many reasons that are worth dying for. Freedom, even for other people is a one of those reasons.

Have I mentioned that I have served my Country and my son has just joined the Marines? Obviously service to a Country can be a very good thing, to those with the courage to do so.

I gave you the link, please read.

That is called hypocrisy.

If you truly believe what you say, back it up with actions instead of empty words.

That is called hypocrisy.

I have a saying you can make your mouth say anything. If all you do is talk, but you live the life you say you are against, you are the crowning example of hypocrisy. Being as you like to bang that drum against religion, maybe you need to learn to remove so much hypocrisy from your own life first.

Baby steps, stop using so much of the product you "claim" is causing the problem first. You cannot complain that we chould not go to such lenghts to get oil if you are one of the gluttons using it. Right now you are wasting electricity to use your computer, to complain about our oil needs, kind of silly. Why not start by not using oil yourself?

Bull, you want to complain but you refuse to do anything about taking away your own part in the problem.

You are confused, we are not talking about 9/11, invading Iraq had little to do with 9/11, just take a few seconds and click on the link I provided so you can know what you are talking about.

Wrong again my little friend, being "assempled" in America does not mean it is made in America. Parts are shipped here and those parts are assembled. So, all the industrial jobs for creating all the parts are over seas, not in America. The only Americans getting anything out of it are the assemblers at the plant, nobody else but a Ford has thousands of American Companies and millions of employees involved in the production of many parts of the car.

Some are over seas, but many are made here as well while all of the Toyots parts are made elsewhere.



Just as a helpful comment, there is a button next to the submit button that says "preview post". If you hit that button, you can preview your post so you don't have to do so many edits.

 

Freedom is directly proportional to the size of your bank account, especially here in the land of the free.

Takes more courage to stand up against the mob and say, this is wrong, I refuse to participate.

I've heard and read all the reasons our president has given o'er the years.

Should I follow the example and take action by killing people to prove my point?

I have a saying to.. whatever is ok for me to do to another human being, is ok for every other human to do me. And I act accordingly

People killed each other long before oil was a wet dream in the head of J. Paul Getty. I said no product is the problem, people are.

I live in a mobile home, I just got rid of a P2 comp that I bought used 4 years ago. I don't participate in conspicuous consumerism. I do what I can.

Why did those folks fly planes into the World trade center? They hate freedom?

Again, ever owned a foreign car?

I'm getting better the day, thanks for the advice.

 

This is a completely false statement. Both are doing what they believe in. Neither involves any more courage then the other. It is only less so if you believe one thing but do another. Anyone who stands up for something they believe in, whether it is by action or by protesting, demonstrating against that action, is just as courageous as the other. Sitting by and doing nothing however takes no courage what so ever.

 

I don't think so, that it's completely false... easier to blend into the herd and regurgitate the dogma you swallow.. harder to stand on your own in the face of a mob.. and damn lonely. Ask Jesus when He comes back... But the rest of what you said after that is right on brother.. Although, it doesn't take a whole lot of guts to kill people by remote control.. try to stand toe to toe if you believe in the might makes right theory...

 

If you think money is the only freedom you are missing most of the point of being an American.

I have had the chance to know many people in the top 10% of income in America, and I will tell you this, most people with lots of money are unhappy. T

rue freedom has nothing to do with money.

No, your belief makes you no more special than anyone else with their belief.

If you refuse to back your words with actions, you are just as guilty as those you complain about.

All bark, no bite.

But you have not understood them obviously.

Your point is we should not be taking action to secure oil for our society, if you believe that then stop giving us a reason to need the oil in the first place.

Fine, I respect your ideas, I just find them nieve.

But the product it a tool, a method.

If you say that the government should not do anything to get oil, you need to back that up with actions that support that claim.

If you refuse to live the life you say others should, then you are guilty of hypocrisy.

No you do not, you are only skirting the edges, there is much more you can do if you are willing to make the scarifice, if you truly believe the stuff you are shoveling.

First of all, you should not own or ride in a car, if you do then you are justifying America's need for oil. If America needs oil, then the government needs to be sure it can get that oil.

Second, use no electricity, if you do then you are justifying America's need for oil. If America needs oil, then the government needs to be sure it can get that oil.

Again, the attackers from 9/11 were not from Iraq and is a seperate issue but to answer your question, radical islam (not to be confused with regular islam) preaches that all infidels need to be removed "using all stratigms of war". Their fanatical beliefs cannot be completely understood by anyone not fanatical but suffice it to say, people hate for many reasons, most of them without good cause.

I would have thought that was obvious considering my stands but no, I have never purchased a vehicle that was not American made. I also refuse to shop at Wal-Mart unless they are the only place to get what I need, I will spend extra and go to the local privately owned stores.

I hate that we lost all the electronics to other Countries and I have no choice there but I will buy American any time I have the chance.

Always willing to help.

 

Tell that to the wage slaves who have nothing to sell but their labor, I know what true freedom is, and am thankful everyday.

Agree 110%

I'm no more special than the lowest "untouchable" on the streets of India, and I back my words with action in the way i live and treat people, not violence. You really don't want me to come barking with a gun, do you?

They hate freedom, they are making weapons of mass destruction, they are a threat to our freedom. I'm not an idiot.

I said we shouldn't kill people to secure our oil, how about we work hard, and buy it with cash or goods that they need?

Tell that to Jesus, they're his ideas, I just fully believe it.

Hard work, fair trade, able to take no for an answer.

I live by my words, and will die by my words.

You too.. better get the guns ready.. lots of evil doers out there.. Go stop the genocide in Africa with violence, please. Freedom beckons...

First off, polish your weapon and buy a plane ticket to Darfur... Oil is fine.. working hard, trading on the up and up, and purchasing it is a ok with me. If a merchant doesn't want to sell me their goods because I'm a pile of crap bully and he's sick of it, I won't ever kill him, or threaten to kill him.. I respect his freedom to secure mine.

See statments on the correct way to do business..

 

Wage slaves?

Few people are independantly wealthy, so I am not sure of your point.

 

The point is, freedom exists in the mind, and the time to do nothing but find it is crucial.

Oil is not evil, people who kill people to get it are.

Where do you think they got those weapons? Why did we support Saddam at the time they gassed the Kurds in the Iran/Iraq war, and why did Rummy have a photo op shaking Saddams hand in the 80's after this took place, and lastly, why did we all the sudden care 20 years after the fact?

Fine, I'll grant you that. We kill for freedom, and you have a lot of killing to do around the world to back up your beliefs, so quit the barking, and start the biting.

Got some evidence or does that help you sleep at night?

Nope, I also live the life I preach, you sir, don't.

Again.. oil is not evil, and I never said we should live without it. Stop trying to claim I did.

See many previous statements counteracting your efforts to put words in my mouth.

See above

See 2 replies above

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So what?s all this got to do with liberating Burma? You both are beating a dead horse.

 

Snaf, this has everything to do with "liberating" Burma.. and this horse is immortal.. been galloping since the dawn of time.. I aim to kill the mother ****er with words..

 

Exactly what are you doing that is making a difference. I think you are one of those that stands by and does nothing but criticize the actions of others while doing nothing more than inaction.

Your new nickname is "France".

 

I'm exercising my freedom of speech.. What other action do you suggest? That I shut up because you don't like what I have to say, Communist China?

France.. Hmmm.. I am a lover.. I like it.. Use it

Your new nickname shall be "Pinky"...

 

Hey Pinky.. you wanna discuss anything with me on the topic at hand or just poke your head in and critisize me from time to time?