Hatter News

Discussion in 'Chatter' started by Onideus Mad Hatter, Dec 30, 2007.

  1. Well, this here be my personal Usenet's blog of sorts, if ya don't
    like it...well I can go and fuck yer mom if you want, just post the
    bitch's number, I'll handle it.

    In annoying news my gawd damn brakes went to shit and now I have to
    have the master cylinder in my Oldsmobeater replaced if I wanna keep
    driving it, so that's gonna set me back about $200.

    In positive news it looks like I shall be the owner of a house come
    February. I made an offer on this one semi-run down jobby for
    $80,000, they countered back at around $80,600 so I told 'em that was
    acceptable. It's three bedroom, two bath, with a large storage shed
    thing in the back (which has electricity). They've got peeps renting
    it right now though so we're going to give them a month to move out
    and then have a final walk through/inspection (to make sure the
    renters didn't wreck the joint) and then if all is good, I shall sign
    the closing papers.

    The structure is sound, but the rest really does need gutted and
    redone room by room. It's livable, but not exactly up to my standards
    in its present state. So it'll take a lot of work in fixing it up,
    but that's okay, I kinda wanted to get a fixer upper opportunity.
    Needs a lot of yard work too, but at least it has a yard (a big one at
    that) with lots of backyard space too. It's also got this car port
    thing which is pretty much a garage except it doesn't have a garage
    door on it.

    If I wind up getting it I plan to setup a site for it, where I'll go
    through and take a ton of pictures of it in its present state and then
    take more pictures as I start fixing it up to kind of show the
    progression/transformation. I think I'll also include some how-to
    stuff on there as well, like how to put up dry-wall, insulation, how
    to do the electrical stuff, etc. Should be pretty fun and when I'm
    done the house will be worth substantially more than what I bought it
    for.

    --

    Onideus Mad Hatter
    mhm ? x ?
    http://www.backwater-productions.net
    http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


    Hatter Quotes
    -------------
    "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
    best."

    "I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
    with it."

    "I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

    "Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

    "Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

    "Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
    bad."

    "There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

    "The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

    "Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
    of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

    "Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
    that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
    of its relevancy."

    "Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
    creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

    "Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

    "People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
    they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
    givin em out for free."

    "Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
    So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
    to their merry little mess."

    "There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
    horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
    their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
    sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
    images burned into their tiny little minds'."

    "How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
    properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

    "Those who record history are those who control history."

    "I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
    endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
    don't get sent to me...I come for you."

    "Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
    tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

    "Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
    function?"

    "Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
    Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
    indicates an increase in Webtv users."

    "Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
    gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
     
  2. Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
    > Well, this here be my personal Usenet's blog of sorts, if ya don't
    > like it...well I can go and fuck yer mom if you want, just post the
    > bitch's number, I'll handle it.
    >
    > In annoying news my gawd damn brakes went to shit and now I have to
    > have the master cylinder in my Oldsmobeater replaced if I wanna keep
    > driving it, so that's gonna set me back about $200.
    >
    > In positive news it looks like I shall be the owner of a house come
    > February. I made an offer on this one semi-run down jobby for
    > $80,000, they countered back at around $80,600 so I told 'em that was
    > acceptable. It's three bedroom, two bath, with a large storage shed
    > thing in the back (which has electricity). They've got peeps renting
    > it right now though so we're going to give them a month to move out
    > and then have a final walk through/inspection (to make sure the
    > renters didn't wreck the joint) and then if all is good, I shall sign
    > the closing papers.
    >
    > The structure is sound, but the rest really does need gutted and
    > redone room by room. It's livable, but not exactly up to my standards
    > in its present state. So it'll take a lot of work in fixing it up,
    > but that's okay, I kinda wanted to get a fixer upper opportunity.
    > Needs a lot of yard work too, but at least it has a yard (a big one at
    > that) with lots of backyard space too. It's also got this car port
    > thing which is pretty much a garage except it doesn't have a garage
    > door on it.
    >
    > If I wind up getting it I plan to setup a site for it, where I'll go
    > through and take a ton of pictures of it in its present state and then
    > take more pictures as I start fixing it up to kind of show the
    > progression/transformation. I think I'll also include some how-to
    > stuff on there as well, like how to put up dry-wall, insulation, how
    > to do the electrical stuff, etc. Should be pretty fun and when I'm
    > done the house will be worth substantially more than what I bought it
    > for.
    >


    Congrats! Nothing beats home ownership even if it does require a
    shitload of responsibility. The best advice I could give you is don't
    skimp on your tools. If you have to do a lot of work, don't buy the
    shitty stuff, you will regret it. Mikita is my brand of choice, but my
    house is new so I don't need the heavy duty stuff. I just have a set of
    Ryobi cordless tools which work well for small jobs, but wouldn't be
    suitable for drywalling an entire house or something. The drill is
    pretty good though, and the cordless is handy when you move from room to
    room hanging blinds and stuff.

    --
    Babies, before were're done here,
    y'all be wearing gold plated diapers

    - Christopher Walken as Bruce Dickensonn
     
  3. Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
    > Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
    >> Well, this here be my personal Usenet's blog of sorts, if ya don't
    >> like it...well I can go and fuck yer mom if you want, just post the
    >> bitch's number, I'll handle it.
    >>
    >> In annoying news my gawd damn brakes went to shit and now I have to
    >> have the master cylinder in my Oldsmobeater replaced if I wanna keep
    >> driving it, so that's gonna set me back about $200.
    >>
    >> In positive news it looks like I shall be the owner of a house come
    >> February. I made an offer on this one semi-run down jobby for
    >> $80,000, they countered back at around $80,600 so I told 'em that was
    >> acceptable. It's three bedroom, two bath, with a large storage shed
    >> thing in the back (which has electricity). They've got peeps renting
    >> it right now though so we're going to give them a month to move out
    >> and then have a final walk through/inspection (to make sure the
    >> renters didn't wreck the joint) and then if all is good, I shall sign
    >> the closing papers.
    >>
    >> The structure is sound, but the rest really does need gutted and
    >> redone room by room. It's livable, but not exactly up to my standards
    >> in its present state. So it'll take a lot of work in fixing it up,
    >> but that's okay, I kinda wanted to get a fixer upper opportunity.
    >> Needs a lot of yard work too, but at least it has a yard (a big one at
    >> that) with lots of backyard space too. It's also got this car port
    >> thing which is pretty much a garage except it doesn't have a garage
    >> door on it.
    >>
    >> If I wind up getting it I plan to setup a site for it, where I'll go
    >> through and take a ton of pictures of it in its present state and then
    >> take more pictures as I start fixing it up to kind of show the
    >> progression/transformation. I think I'll also include some how-to
    >> stuff on there as well, like how to put up dry-wall, insulation, how
    >> to do the electrical stuff, etc. Should be pretty fun and when I'm
    >> done the house will be worth substantially more than what I bought it
    >> for.
    >>

    >
    > Congrats! Nothing beats home ownership even if it does require a
    > shitload of responsibility. The best advice I could give you is don't
    > skimp on your tools. If you have to do a lot of work, don't buy the
    > shitty stuff, you will regret it. Mikita is my brand of choice, but my
    > house is new so I don't need the heavy duty stuff. I just have a set of
    > Ryobi cordless tools which work well for small jobs, but wouldn't be
    > suitable for drywalling an entire house or something. The drill is
    > pretty good though, and the cordless is handy when you move from room to
    > room hanging blinds and stuff.
    >

    MHM, Mad Hatter Mansion.
    Reality TV gone mad.
    ROTFLMAO

    TDD
     
  4. The Daring Dufas <the-daring-dufas@hottest-male.com> wrote in
    news:fl950l$cfs$1@aioe.org:

    > MHM, Mad Hatter Mansion.
    > Reality TV gone mad.
    > ROTFLMAO
    >
    > TDD
    >

    Oh my God! Hatter in a house without wheels?
    What's this world comming to?

    [8~{} Uncle Monster

    --
    May all your posts be free of splinters
     
  5. "Uncle Monster" <uncle-monster@blowme.net> wrote in message
    news:Xns9A16A820A60D5unclemonsterblowmene@85.214.90.236...
    > The Daring Dufas <the-daring-dufas@hottest-male.com> wrote in
    > news:fl950l$cfs$1@aioe.org:
    >
    > > MHM, Mad Hatter Mansion.
    > > Reality TV gone mad.
    > > ROTFLMAO
    > >
    > > TDD
    > >

    > Oh my God! Hatter in a house without wheels?
    > What's this world comming to?


    Actually I think it'd be interesting to see it in progress...
     
  6. Wavy G

    Wavy G Guest

    Don't fight it, The Daring Dufas...Just lie down and try to relax:

    >Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
    >> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
    >>> Well, this here be my personal Usenet's blog of sorts, if ya don't
    >>> like it...well I can go and fuck yer mom if you want, just post the
    >>> bitch's number, I'll handle it.
    >>>
    >>> In annoying news my gawd damn brakes went to shit and now I have to
    >>> have the master cylinder in my Oldsmobeater replaced if I wanna keep
    >>> driving it, so that's gonna set me back about $200.
    >>>
    >>> In positive news it looks like I shall be the owner of a house come
    >>> February. I made an offer on this one semi-run down jobby for
    >>> $80,000, they countered back at around $80,600 so I told 'em that was
    >>> acceptable. It's three bedroom, two bath, with a large storage shed
    >>> thing in the back (which has electricity). They've got peeps renting
    >>> it right now though so we're going to give them a month to move out
    >>> and then have a final walk through/inspection (to make sure the
    >>> renters didn't wreck the joint) and then if all is good, I shall sign
    >>> the closing papers.
    >>>
    >>> The structure is sound, but the rest really does need gutted and
    >>> redone room by room. It's livable, but not exactly up to my standards
    >>> in its present state. So it'll take a lot of work in fixing it up,
    >>> but that's okay, I kinda wanted to get a fixer upper opportunity.
    >>> Needs a lot of yard work too, but at least it has a yard (a big one at
    >>> that) with lots of backyard space too. It's also got this car port
    >>> thing which is pretty much a garage except it doesn't have a garage
    >>> door on it.
    >>>
    >>> If I wind up getting it I plan to setup a site for it, where I'll go
    >>> through and take a ton of pictures of it in its present state and then
    >>> take more pictures as I start fixing it up to kind of show the
    >>> progression/transformation. I think I'll also include some how-to
    >>> stuff on there as well, like how to put up dry-wall, insulation, how
    >>> to do the electrical stuff, etc. Should be pretty fun and when I'm
    >>> done the house will be worth substantially more than what I bought it
    >>> for.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Congrats! Nothing beats home ownership even if it does require a
    >> shitload of responsibility. The best advice I could give you is don't
    >> skimp on your tools. If you have to do a lot of work, don't buy the
    >> shitty stuff, you will regret it. Mikita is my brand of choice, but my
    >> house is new so I don't need the heavy duty stuff. I just have a set of
    >> Ryobi cordless tools which work well for small jobs, but wouldn't be
    >> suitable for drywalling an entire house or something. The drill is
    >> pretty good though, and the cordless is handy when you move from room to
    >> room hanging blinds and stuff.
    >>

    >MHM, Mad Hatter Mansion.
    >Reality TV gone mad.
    >ROTFLMAO


    You realise that absolutely no won would find that the least bit
    humourous, don't you?

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    --Mimus submits a rewrite for the ending of The Bible.


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  7. Sycho

    Sycho Guest

    Here ye! Here ye! Today "Jonathan Herr" <dracosilver@wi.rr.com>
    stormed in alt.2600 on Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:31:30 -0600 and shouted for
    all to hear..

    >
    >"Uncle Monster" <uncle-monster@blowme.net> wrote in message
    >news:Xns9A16A820A60D5unclemonsterblowmene@85.214.90.236...
    >> The Daring Dufas <the-daring-dufas@hottest-male.com> wrote in
    >> news:fl950l$cfs$1@aioe.org:
    >>
    >> > MHM, Mad Hatter Mansion.
    >> > Reality TV gone mad.
    >> > ROTFLMAO
    >> >
    >> > TDD
    >> >

    >> Oh my God! Hatter in a house without wheels?
    >> What's this world comming to?

    >
    >Actually I think it'd be interesting to see it in progress...
    >

    Did Lego sponsor? Habitat for Supidity, maybe?

    tee hee
    --
    We now return you to your reality, madness and mayhem already in
    progress..
     
  8. FrozenNorth

    FrozenNorth Guest

    Rev Turd Fredericks took a can of maroon spray paint on December 30, 2007
    04:57 pm and wrote the following:

    > Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
    >> Well, this here be my personal Usenet's blog of sorts, if ya don't
    >> like it...well I can go and fuck yer mom if you want, just post the
    >> bitch's number, I'll handle it.
    >>
    >> In annoying news my gawd damn brakes went to shit and now I have to
    >> have the master cylinder in my Oldsmobeater replaced if I wanna keep
    >> driving it, so that's gonna set me back about $200.
    >>
    >> In positive news it looks like I shall be the owner of a house come
    >> February. I made an offer on this one semi-run down jobby for
    >> $80,000, they countered back at around $80,600 so I told 'em that was
    >> acceptable. It's three bedroom, two bath, with a large storage shed
    >> thing in the back (which has electricity). They've got peeps renting
    >> it right now though so we're going to give them a month to move out
    >> and then have a final walk through/inspection (to make sure the
    >> renters didn't wreck the joint) and then if all is good, I shall sign
    >> the closing papers.
    >>
    >> The structure is sound, but the rest really does need gutted and
    >> redone room by room. It's livable, but not exactly up to my standards
    >> in its present state. So it'll take a lot of work in fixing it up,
    >> but that's okay, I kinda wanted to get a fixer upper opportunity.
    >> Needs a lot of yard work too, but at least it has a yard (a big one at
    >> that) with lots of backyard space too. It's also got this car port
    >> thing which is pretty much a garage except it doesn't have a garage
    >> door on it.
    >>
    >> If I wind up getting it I plan to setup a site for it, where I'll go
    >> through and take a ton of pictures of it in its present state and then
    >> take more pictures as I start fixing it up to kind of show the
    >> progression/transformation. I think I'll also include some how-to
    >> stuff on there as well, like how to put up dry-wall, insulation, how
    >> to do the electrical stuff, etc. Should be pretty fun and when I'm
    >> done the house will be worth substantially more than what I bought it
    >> for.
    >>

    >
    > Congrats! Nothing beats home ownership even if it does require a
    > shitload of responsibility. The best advice I could give you is don't
    > skimp on your tools. If you have to do a lot of work, don't buy the
    > shitty stuff, you will regret it. Mikita is my brand of choice, but my
    > house is new so I don't need the heavy duty stuff. I just have a set of
    > Ryobi cordless tools which work well for small jobs, but wouldn't be
    > suitable for drywalling an entire house or something. The drill is
    > pretty good though, and the cordless is handy when you move from room to
    > room hanging blinds and stuff.
    >

    Totally agree with buying quality tools, most of mine are DeWalt, cheap
    tools will just piss you off, if you plan on working good long days on some
    jobs, do not buy cordless anything, get the corded type, and a couple of
    good long, preferably 12 guage extension cords.

    I've been in this house for over 10 years now, it was a fixer upper, now it
    is finally at the point when it is pretty much done.

    Note, it will take twice as long and twice as much money as you expect, no
    matter how thoroughly you spec out any given part of the project, in an
    older house there *will* be surprises, under nearly every bit of plaster ro
    wall board you remove etc. If your house has been owned by do it
    yourselfers before, some of those surprises get scary.

    Also check (anonymously) with your local code enforcement people before you
    buy, some areas of the States do not even allow homeowners to to basic
    plumbing/electrical work without hiring a pro, all it takes is one nosey
    neighbour and the code people can really ruin your day.

    Most important though, have fun.
    --
    Lits Slut #9
    Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.
     
  9. On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:57:25 GMT, Rev Turd Fredericks
    <turdfred2@catholic.org> wrote:

    >Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
    >> Well, this here be my personal Usenet's blog of sorts, if ya don't
    >> like it...well I can go and fuck yer mom if you want, just post the
    >> bitch's number, I'll handle it.
    >>
    >> In annoying news my gawd damn brakes went to shit and now I have to
    >> have the master cylinder in my Oldsmobeater replaced if I wanna keep
    >> driving it, so that's gonna set me back about $200.
    >>
    >> In positive news it looks like I shall be the owner of a house come
    >> February. I made an offer on this one semi-run down jobby for
    >> $80,000, they countered back at around $80,600 so I told 'em that was
    >> acceptable. It's three bedroom, two bath, with a large storage shed
    >> thing in the back (which has electricity). They've got peeps renting
    >> it right now though so we're going to give them a month to move out
    >> and then have a final walk through/inspection (to make sure the
    >> renters didn't wreck the joint) and then if all is good, I shall sign
    >> the closing papers.
    >>
    >> The structure is sound, but the rest really does need gutted and
    >> redone room by room. It's livable, but not exactly up to my standards
    >> in its present state. So it'll take a lot of work in fixing it up,
    >> but that's okay, I kinda wanted to get a fixer upper opportunity.
    >> Needs a lot of yard work too, but at least it has a yard (a big one at
    >> that) with lots of backyard space too. It's also got this car port
    >> thing which is pretty much a garage except it doesn't have a garage
    >> door on it.
    >>
    >> If I wind up getting it I plan to setup a site for it, where I'll go
    >> through and take a ton of pictures of it in its present state and then
    >> take more pictures as I start fixing it up to kind of show the
    >> progression/transformation. I think I'll also include some how-to
    >> stuff on there as well, like how to put up dry-wall, insulation, how
    >> to do the electrical stuff, etc. Should be pretty fun and when I'm
    >> done the house will be worth substantially more than what I bought it
    >> for.
    >>

    >
    >Congrats! Nothing beats home ownership even if it does require a
    >shitload of responsibility. The best advice I could give you is don't
    >skimp on your tools. If you have to do a lot of work, don't buy the
    >shitty stuff, you will regret it. Mikita is my brand of choice, but my
    >house is new so I don't need the heavy duty stuff. I just have a set of
    >Ryobi cordless tools which work well for small jobs, but wouldn't be
    >suitable for drywalling an entire house or something. The drill is
    >pretty good though, and the cordless is handy when you move from room to
    >room hanging blinds and stuff.


    I have a Ryobi 10" table saw that is the shit.
    Makita is a great tool as well as Dewalt.
    You are right though,
    buy good tools or you will regret it.
    You will end up working harder than your tools.
    :)
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    <:((>>>><
    >--|

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  10. On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:31:43 +0000 (UTC), Uncle Monster
    <uncle-monster@blowme.net> wrote:

    >The Daring Dufas <the-daring-dufas@hottest-male.com> wrote in
    >news:fl950l$cfs$1@aioe.org:
    >
    >> MHM, Mad Hatter Mansion.
    >> Reality TV gone mad.
    >> ROTFLMAO
    >>
    >> TDD
    >>

    >Oh my God! Hatter in a house without wheels?
    >What's this world comming to?
    >
    >[8~{} Uncle Monster


    One without a lid too!!!!!
    :)
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    Anti Archangel #41 Vote Democratic and stay stuck on stupid
    Stalking Filth #69.5
    >--|

    <:((>>>><
    >--|

    --
     
  11. Yomamma bin Crawdaddin wrote:
    > On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:57:25 GMT, Rev Turd Fredericks
    > <turdfred2@catholic.org> wrote:
    >
    >> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
    >>> Well, this here be my personal Usenet's blog of sorts, if ya don't
    >>> like it...well I can go and fuck yer mom if you want, just post the
    >>> bitch's number, I'll handle it.
    >>>
    >>> In annoying news my gawd damn brakes went to shit and now I have to
    >>> have the master cylinder in my Oldsmobeater replaced if I wanna keep
    >>> driving it, so that's gonna set me back about $200.
    >>>
    >>> In positive news it looks like I shall be the owner of a house come
    >>> February. I made an offer on this one semi-run down jobby for
    >>> $80,000, they countered back at around $80,600 so I told 'em that was
    >>> acceptable. It's three bedroom, two bath, with a large storage shed
    >>> thing in the back (which has electricity). They've got peeps renting
    >>> it right now though so we're going to give them a month to move out
    >>> and then have a final walk through/inspection (to make sure the
    >>> renters didn't wreck the joint) and then if all is good, I shall sign
    >>> the closing papers.
    >>>
    >>> The structure is sound, but the rest really does need gutted and
    >>> redone room by room. It's livable, but not exactly up to my standards
    >>> in its present state. So it'll take a lot of work in fixing it up,
    >>> but that's okay, I kinda wanted to get a fixer upper opportunity.
    >>> Needs a lot of yard work too, but at least it has a yard (a big one at
    >>> that) with lots of backyard space too. It's also got this car port
    >>> thing which is pretty much a garage except it doesn't have a garage
    >>> door on it.
    >>>
    >>> If I wind up getting it I plan to setup a site for it, where I'll go
    >>> through and take a ton of pictures of it in its present state and then
    >>> take more pictures as I start fixing it up to kind of show the
    >>> progression/transformation. I think I'll also include some how-to
    >>> stuff on there as well, like how to put up dry-wall, insulation, how
    >>> to do the electrical stuff, etc. Should be pretty fun and when I'm
    >>> done the house will be worth substantially more than what I bought it
    >>> for.
    >>>

    >> Congrats! Nothing beats home ownership even if it does require a
    >> shitload of responsibility. The best advice I could give you is don't
    >> skimp on your tools. If you have to do a lot of work, don't buy the
    >> shitty stuff, you will regret it. Mikita is my brand of choice, but my
    >> house is new so I don't need the heavy duty stuff. I just have a set of
    >> Ryobi cordless tools which work well for small jobs, but wouldn't be
    >> suitable for drywalling an entire house or something. The drill is
    >> pretty good though, and the cordless is handy when you move from room to
    >> room hanging blinds and stuff.

    >
    > I have a Ryobi 10" table saw that is the shit.
    > Makita is a great tool as well as Dewalt.



    My ryobi tools are all cordless, great for small jobs though.

    > You are right though,
    > buy good tools or you will regret it.
    > You will end up working harder than your tools.
    > :)


    Been there, done that. A nice example of that is a pipe cutter. If you
    need to cut one pipe and that's all you are likely to ever do, just buy
    the $3 cheap ass one and throw it away afterwards. If you have to cut
    pipes for plumbing that new bathroom, buy the best one you can get your
    hands on and keep it for life.

    --
    Geeks may inherit the earth,
    but they have no desire to rule it

    -Robert Stevens (the Geek Squad founder)
     

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