Ground Zero Once Removed

Moen:"I can produce a poll that says exactly the opposite of any poll you can show me. But keep cherry picking them."

Could you please show me a poll that shows support for the mosque. I'm not saying its not out there, but I've tried for about 30 minutes to find one but cannot.

 

There is no reason to forbid someone from building a "Muslim community center" or - if we want to be less politically correct and more honest - a building with a mosque in it anywhere that local zoning laws permit it. There are strip joints on that 'hallowed ground'. Why worry about a mosque. Only reason is that a lot of people - in both parties - don't like Islam or Muslims.

 

Now this is a link to the site of Cordoba house (for those of you who dont know it is where they will build) Please read down and see what they say will be on the site

http://www.park51.org/facilities.htm

Now I will quote it as well

•a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community

This is not me making anything up, not a press report but a direct quotation from there own site!!

 

I'll finally chime in here.
Do they have the right to be there? Yes. Just like any Jew, Lutheran, Baptist etc.
Do I think it's in poor taste. Yes, but there are other mosques in the vicinity that were there before 9/11. Should we shut them down as well?

Has the U.S. formally declared war on ALL Muslims? No.
If we did should we put all Muslims/suspected Muslims in internment camps?

If we did who would we go after next? Jews, Lutherans, Baptists etc.?

Who should run our theocratic country with a useless Constitution.

Kinda makes me wonder.

 

What I'd like to know is: What is the distance from ground zero that is unoffensive and how was that determination made? No one can answer these simple questions. All they can say is that 2-3 blocks away is too close. There are over a hundred mosques in NY already, which ones are too close to ground zero?

 

"A few facts first: 1 it’s not a mosque, its a Muslim community center." Make up your mind. Is it or is it not a mosque?
"2 It's not on ground zero, it's a couple of blocks away. " Right where pieces of the plane fell.
"4 These are moderate Muslims that had nothing to do with 9/11." Moderate Muslims who believe in Shari'a law. Do you also? I DO NOT!
"5 There is no legislative solution to this issue one way or the other, it is a New York City building code issue." It should be a common sense issue.
"6. No politicians in New York have issues with this building." Except the ones who would like to get reelected.

 

Dr moen's recent & excessive use of the phrase "ginned up" at the same time Pelosi does the same thing is certainly no coincidence, afterall Dr moen has been caught reciting Pelosi verbatim.

 

Those are some of the lamest "counterpoints" I have ever seen posted and you still couldn't answer the question. My favorite lame point has to be #2...."Pieces of the plane fell". Do you just make this stuff up on the spot? You should write for Fox News. I hear that they are always looking for lame reactionaries.

 

LOL. I was gonna comment on that. I didnt know Pelosi used it though. An archaic term for sure. Maybe Pelosi and he have one of those calendars; Passe word of the day. Oh crap now he has me doing it.

 

Lets say move the mosque out until we reach a muslim community. The spot of this proposed mosque is not in a muslim community. Where is that, China town, 10th street, 42nd street? I don’t know. Why do you want to put a place of worship where nobody lives?

You never responded to the question posed in post #41. If you are still searching, I understand.

 

Well, the Pussycat Lounge is about 2-3 blocks from the WTC Tribute Center so, unless strippers and lap dances are a good tribute to the fallen, it has to be less than that.

 

All I was saying was that a poll can be made to get whatever result you want to get. On such a recent issue as this, I wouldn't expect all that many polls to be out there yet. Give it time and you'll find polls that state exactly the opposite of whatever poll you want to quote on this topic. Point being, polls are no way to make decisons. Polls are the BS of cowardly politicians and the hollow substance of someone with no ability to reason out an argument. They don't magically make your point for you.

Asking still, what is an acceptable distance? And of course how is that distance determined?

 

I can see that several of you here need to significantly expand your vocabulary. Again, I've never heard Pelosi utter a word on this subject not even a clip of her saying anything. The word certainly fits this made-up, contrived, fabricated, artificial, manufactured, fixed, false, politically expedient controversy.

 

Why dont you use words like Hazah? And fortnight? I had to look it up because I thought it had to do with getting drunk. It means to begin. So I dont really know where it fits in your post. But I think it was last commonly used in 1275. Hast thou used the word often?

 

I think this is what Lehigh would call nitpicking. It's a word..."Deal with it!"

 

While I actually tend to agree with Pelosi that it is, at the heart of it, mostly a local and zoning issue..suggesting that there should be investigations into the opposition to that viewpoint is a little out there, to say the least. Is creating a House Committee on Un-Muslim Cultural Center Activities next on her agenda?

 

Yes its a word. It just seems out of place in the 21st century. Hey its only what I think. I'm sure everyone else agrees with you that it fits right in. And I wasnt the one who brought it up. Someone else singled the word out before me. I'm just the only one that thinks its corny.

 

lamest "counterpoints"? First you say it is not a mosque, then you say it is a mosque. But my "counterpoints" are lame? Why should I even counterpoint that.

 

Oh Please! Point out where I called it a mosque. You're feeding off of Craig's post which itself was inaccurate.

I did notice that even Fox as begun to use both the terms Muslim community center/mosque. If you believe that a building with a prayer room is also a mosque, there is nothing I can say that will convince you of your error.

The bigger question, putting aside the one you consistently refuse to answer, is how do those opposed to this "project" (call it what you want) divorce the right to do something with the ability to do it? If you say someone has the right but shouldn't do so aren't you really diminishing that right?

 

No. Women have a right to an abortion. But it shouldnt be a do-it -yourself project. Anyway, why would anyone build a prayer room/rec-center in a financial district of a city? Its not a high or even medium residential area.