Gore's climate claims melt under scrutiny...

The vast majority of the world's science comes down on the side of global warming as being affected by our activities. It is rare in science for something to absolutely prove something 100% without a shadow of a doubt but we usually accept something after a preponderance of the evidence points in one direction or the other. The anti-global warming agenda interests are using that wiggle room to make their case. I for one am not buying it. If you really believe in the scientific method, you would come to the conclusion that the likelihood of us affecting our environment through the release of massive amounts hydrocarbons over decades has finally begun to affect our atmosphere negatively. The evidence for such a change is clearly mounting but if it isn't enough to convince you yet, it will be someday and then you can say, "Well, now I believe it but the science didn't support it before". Which all seems kind of Johnny-come-lately to the rest of us.

 

Having PhD's sign a petition is not science. It's politics. The global warmists are pushing an agenda for their own benefit. They want to believe and need to believe, even though the preponderance of scientific evidence points to other conclusions. Even the representatives from the UN who presented the results admitted under questioning [on CSPAN] that the methodology is based primarily on assumptions and not testing. But this will not deter the global warmists from doing everything in their power to subject dissenters to a new Inquisition.

Fortunately for you, your side is likely to win this one, and plunge the world into a new dark age where politically incorrect science is banned.

 

I agree with this statement but it has nothing to do with the facts in this issue. It is just a sidebar issue that deters people from the truth.

If you mean that they have an agenda to alert the rest of us of the dangers we are facing, yes! In an unabashed effort to maintain their lavish lifestyles and Beverly Hills mansions? I think that there may be a slight few hack scientists out there of no prominence possibly trying to make a name for themselves with this issue, maybe. But so many respected scientists have vocalized their belief in global warming issues that you have to look to the enquirer-style edutainment sources to find opposition to them.

UN scientists?? Which UN scientists are you using to lend credence to your side? This is exactly what I mean by any source in a storm type arguements. Good God, the UN?

Less of an inquisition on my side as I am not trying to maintain the status quo. Your side is and challenging the status quo has always been difficult when the powers that be refuse to give up a good thing.

That is a bit overly dramatic to say the least. But, I don't see "my side" winning that easily. The powerful money interests that stand to lose their ability to pollute and damage our environment and then have to pay for the consequences will not give up so easily. As long as they have ordinary people fighting for their interests, they can hang on for quite some time.

 

"UN scientists?? Which UN scientists are you using to lend credence to your side? This is exactly what I mean by any source in a storm type arguements. Good God, the UN?"

I used the term representatives, not scientists. They were members of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and even they called their publication an "assessment" and not a scientific study.

"Less of an inquisition on my side as I am not trying to maintain the status quo."

I would say that belief in human-caused global warming has become the status quo.

The powerful money interests are pushing for universal belief in global warming. They know that the real power comes from control. Actual ownership can come later and might not even be necessary. Companies like Exxon will be raided in the same manner as Altria. The first rule of being a successful parasite is to avoid killing the host.

 

Ah, we showed that they are funded by Exxon, if that is not enough for you, you are beyond help.

 

I think you have a few things a bit backwards here. The new status quo borders on meaninglessness or just a simple case of an oxymoron. When you have to contort an arguement to this extent, you might be rationalizing your position.
I think your conspiracy theory of ecofriendly groups and scientists banding together and trying to take control of energy conglomorates is far less likely than energy conglomerates with already strong ties binding them together trying to maintain their monopoly.
Ockham's razor put simply says, the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable. Your conspiracy theory involves much more complicate allegiances and therefore is less likely.

 

You totally missed the point. Again. So I'll try to explain it. Again. What corporations say, or what agencies hired by corporations say, or what the UN says, or what the "scientists" surveyed by the UN say, or what Al Gore says, or what Al Gore's detractors say is all irrelevant. Only the science is relevant. I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept. Right now, the science says that climate is affected by the things that always affected it, and solar energy is a large, perhaps the dominant factor. The global warmists have a new theory, untested & unproven, that they want everyone to adopt because it suits their cause. This is bad science.

But you are correct, I'm beyond the type of help that you have to offer.

 

Funny...I have read a lot of scientists on the issue and many of these scientist dont seem to agree with you...then again...you arent a scientist

 

That's the point. Opinions, even from scientists, aren't important, and opinions exist on both sides. Scientific truth will never be established by taking a poll, but people can be bullied into going along. Those who wish to prove this new theory of climate change need to demonstrate through the scientific method why their hypothesis is correct -- that human-created CO2 is changing the climate -- and why all of the other established observations are wrong.

 

But science can never prove anything definitively and never has claimed to be able to. You have to draw conclusions from the preponderance of the evidence. That's that way science works and has worked since we adopted it's use. Sometimes conclusions aren't correct but more often than not they are. You seem to both hide behind scientific principles and disparage their use at the same time. Science is education and observation and we have to draw the conclusions. I've drawn mine.
Look, I am not trying to convicnce you of my position. I am confident that most folks will come around to the same conclusions many of us have already reached. You're a reasonably intelligent guy and you will make your own decision in your own time. That is good enough for me.

 

some people still think the earth is flat or hollow and some people do not believe in evolution....evidence enough to 'prove' is obviously subjective.

 

Most likely, I look at the same or similar things you do, but draw a different conclusion. The solar astronomers and folks who study the history of climate change and see no problem are more pursuasive, in my opinion, than those on the human-caused warming side. There is no solution to this in Coin Chat. But too many people are ready to reorganize the entire world economy around a new core principle with slim evidence. I would just caution folks to be skeptical whenever someone tells them "You are in danger, put me in charge."

 

All science and agenda's aside, the very fact that such people as Drusus, Danr, Moen and AdamL believe and promote the illusion of Global Warming, is enough to convince me that it is all a bunch of B$ from a bunch of know-it-alls who have nothing better to do than sit around playing on their computer, where no one knows who the slobs actually are.
You can bet your bottom dollar not one of them come out in public and proclaim what they say they believe here on this forum. The reason I know this to be true is the fact that they are still alive and able to post their $hit.

 

I dont promote global warming...and the statement about 'a bunch of know-it-alls who have nothing better to do than sit around playing on their computer, where no one knows who the slobs actually are.'

is a bit funny coming from a person sitting on his computer, nobody here knows who he is, is full of bluster and always going blah blah blah I know this and that...the guy who is one of the most opinionated people on the forum AND he is saying he has the slightest clue about global warming (or anything) and making these statements about the posters here ...constantly make personal attacks on people he doesnt know..whom he doesnt and couldnt know Ironic.

I have no fear and will state what I think whether it be here or in real life...I have a feeling the truth is probably more likely that the blustering morons who take a stand on anything and everything, are experts on everything and talk so big on the internet are probably all smiles and puppy dogs in real life and wouldnt have the balls to say what they say here in real life...just an opinion...I am not one to make sweeping generalizations about things I have no clue about...but dont let that stop YOU.

 

Thank you Tex, I couldn't have described you or your friends better if I had written this myself. It did get your attention, didn't it?

 

Hey you old SOB. I'm not promoting global warming. I'm encouraging cleaning up the environment. And everyone seems to agree with that. Like I've said 5 times before, I don't care about global warming, I just think its stupid for us to be fighting over it when we're all on the same side. Lets clean up the planet!!! Fu** arguing and considering each other opponents. Pollution is bad period.

 

writing isnt your forte, we all know this so of course I did it better. I understand now that you just wanted someone to pay attention to you. You have a lot to say and this is serious business.

 

I hate it when you guys quote old Depends britches and I have to see it. But what are gonna do? He only posts comments to try and get people to respond angrily and I just don't play. It gives him more time to get up from the computer, rotate the old Depends and sit back down. Incontinence is hell on the old guy.

 

OK CUT OUT THE PERSONAL INSULTS AND GET IT BACK ON TOPIC, ANYONE WHO DON'T LIKE THE RULES CAN ALWAYS GO AND PLAY ELSEWHERE