Good-bye and Good Riddens

Discussion in 'Politics' started by mrbrklyn, Jan 3, 2009.

  1. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Obituary: Nizar Rayyan

    Nizar Rayyan, at a protest in the Jabaliya refugee camp on 5 August 2005
    Nizar Rayyan was said to be one of the top five Hamas leaders
    Nizar Rayyan, the senior Hamas leader killed in an Israeli air strike, was a vitriolic cleric who had called for suicide attacks on Israel.

    The day before a missile flattened his apartment in Gaza, he appeared on Hamas-run al-Aqsa television promising to hit Israel "even deeper" than before.

    "God willing, the evil state, the Jewish state will not break the resistance," he said.

    If Israel embarked on a ground operation, Hamas could "kill the enemy and take hostages", he warned.

    Media reports described Mr Rayyan as one of Hamas's top five decision-makers; the liaison between the Hamas leadership and the group's military wing.

    A bearded man in his late 40s, he lived in the Jabaliya area of northern Gaza and was described as both preacher and university lecturer.

    He was seen as one of the group's most hard-line leaders, sometimes wearing combat fatigues and a cartridge belt to patrol the streets with Hamas fighters.

    He was fundamentally opposed to the state of Israel.

    "We will never recognise Israel," he told Reuters news agency in early 2007. "There is nothing called Israel, neither in reality nor in the imagination."
    Nizar Rayyan speaks with Hamas fighters during training in the Jabaliya refugee camp on 14 September 2007
    Nizar Rayyan was seen as close to the military wing of Hamas

    In October 2001, one of his sons launched a suicide attack on a Jewish settlement in Gaza. Two Israelis were killed and 15 injured.

    When Hamas seized control of Gaza in June 2007, he said there would be no dialogue with Fatah, the secular Palestinian movement it ousted, "only the sword and the rifle".

    Months later, he told a rally in Gaza City that Hamas would soon control West Bank areas administered by Fatah.

    Unlike some Hamas leaders, he opted to remain in his home when the Israeli air bombardment of Gaza began in late December, Hamas radio said.

    The Israeli government said his house was serving as a weapons store and Hamas communications centre.

    Mr Rayyan, two of his four wives and a number of his children were killed when the Israeli missile struck, Palestinian officials said.
     
  2. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?


    At least now in hades, he will get his promised 72 ugly virgins.
     
  3. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Well even if he did not want to recognise Israil I do believe that they Recognised him LOL I supose you could say he went out with a bit of a bang.
    I feel no sorrow at his passing but I do for his children and wives who died in the same way I feel sorrow at the lose of any innocent life no matter who they are or what there creed is.
     
  4. vess1

    vess1 "Birds of a feather...."


    What do you think those kids were being taught? They weren't going to be innocent for long, if they even were anymore. No loss.
     
  5. mamooney

    mamooney New Member

    May many more jihadist leaders and followers follow in his footsteps into hell
     
  6. Isaiah

    Isaiah New Member

    This is a sad day.
     
  7. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    I honestly dont care what they were been taught I feel sorrow at the death of any youngster, perhaps you are more callouse than I am, but I have seen enough death not to like it. Him I have no sympathy for he was old enough to know the risks he took and decided to play anyway but his kids did not.
     
  8. Isaiah

    Isaiah New Member


    I agree 100%.
     
  9. vess1

    vess1 "Birds of a feather...."


    I've read enough material and seen enough videos to be very callous at this point. It's a shame, sure. It's not the kids fault but regardless, they are nothing more than young terrorists in development.

    There's a very stark contrast between what children are taught here and what children are being taught there. Now I'll have Isaiah come back at me about how "I need to have tolerance."

    No, I don't need to have tolerance. I wouldn't teach my kid to grow up to be a martyr. I wouldn't live in a country that puts cartoons for kids on the air about being suicide bombers. I'm not making it up. I've seen them. Tell those people to find some tolerance and then maybe they wouldn't be getting their kids blown up.
     
  10. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Oh well. They wouldnt have grown up any different than he.
     
  11. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Perhaps and perhaps not it still dont mean that you can not regret the loss of young lives as for reading and seeing vid's real life is a lot different believe me, try talking about death when you have cleaned someones brains off the back seat of a jeep or helped shovel the remains of a bomb victim into a body bag.
    If you can not have compassion even for the young then to me you are no different to those who commit acts of terror in whatever name
     
  12. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Hey war sucks. One of these mooks sent thier own son on a suicide bombing. And he went! I say stop being so freaking hateful and violent, and maybe your children wont suffer. Wipe 'em all out and start anew.
     
  13. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    LOL so the way to stop them been violent and hateful is to wipe them out!!!
     
  14. skm06

    skm06 Puttin on the foil

    Can't hurt to try it.
     
  15. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Tolerance? Tolerance is nothing more than society expecting you to put up with something you don't believe in or agree with. I've had it up to here with people preaching tolerance.
     
  16. Isaiah

    Isaiah New Member

    Tolerence would be nice, and yes vess I would like some tolerance and love and respect for the world. There are not terrorists, their all in the mind you know. They are part of our thought processes and fictional dangers much like the bogeyman and other imaginary things that the institution has us believe. Protest the institution, but very peacefully. Peace can only be achieved by very peaceful methods.
     
  17. Isaiah

    Isaiah New Member

    David, you've inspired me to change my avatar and profile picture again. ENJOY!
     
  18. Stu Joe

    Stu Joe New Member

    In Iraq, I had no qualms about seeing busted and broken insurgents in the their guarded ICU ward. I could walk by the beds, work on the equipment next to them and not give it a seconds thought or pity about their state or whether they made it or not.

    Talking about the real deal insurgents not the poor folks who got blown up at a market or similar as they shopped. I did feel bad for the innocent bystanders.

    But, I did feel a lot worse for the kids, though. I didn't know their stories...innocent bystander, being part of the wrong household, whatever. No matter the reason they ended up there, seeing young kids messed up was never easy.
     
  19. Isaiah

    Isaiah New Member

    The whole terrorism fad is getting old in a hurry. There are no terrorists. That is obvious.
     
  20. Stu Joe

    Stu Joe New Member

    Go spend some time in Iraq and Afghanistan and then come back and talk to me. Otherwise, you are just some communist, wannabe marine biologist without the life experience to make that statement.

    In fact, maybe you can go over there and try to institute a little Communism. Since there are no terrorists, I am sure you will be fine.
     

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