Church & the State should be seperate, this does not say that poloticians can not have religiouse outlook on lifre but if you want the State to be ruled by Clerics go live in a Islamic Country. De Orc
Absolutely! As long as both political parties continue to run our government as they have in the past, GOD help us if he isn't somewhere in the equation.:bow:
Not many athiests in politics. Folks do not like to vote for an athiest (Although the new president of Chile is an athiest woman).
Of course God has a place in politics. Why do you think our system is in such a mess? It's because they're trying to take God out of the public arena. Back when Victor Hugo died, the french decided to secularize the parthenon, and they removed a large cross from the building. A Christian was in that country speaking to a group of french, and he said; you can't remove the Cross from the parthenon. They said: we already have. Then he said, you can't remove it because the parthenon is in the shape of a cross, and when you remove that there won't be anything left. Remove God from politics, and soon there won't be anything left.
I must have a different view than all of you on what "politics" means to me, but I say that God has no place in creation of policy and implementation of national laws. Each individual politician is, of course, free to believe anything he or she wants, but when it comes to integrating those beliefs into the laws and decisions and executions of such that they are making daily, I feel that any sort of higher and (for me) unprovable beliefs are better left to one's private life, and not the peoples' public lives.
What you don't seem to realize, ajm; is that this country here was founded by Christians to be a Christian country. You probably object to the prayer that they hold in Congress at each session, but it's been around since the beginning, because America was supposed to be a Christian country, and if you don't like it, tough, because most americans do like it.
What you don't seem to realize is that you've not a clue what the men who founded this country were thinking. Let me enlighten you. I would mention here that Carroll was a devout Roman Catholic, here in a letter to his daughter-in-law espousing tolerance of differing beliefs. On June 28, 1787, Franklin made a motion to the Constitutional Convention that they begin each session with a prayer. The motion was tabled, lacking support, and not taken up again. There's your precedent for prayer in government. These are the men who created our government. All of the quotes above are from signers of the Declaration of Independence. There is plenty more proof where this came from that our Founding Fathers were almost unanimous in their desire to entirely separate religion from government. Arguing otherwise merely proves your ignorance of the principles upon which our country was founded. That's your right, of course; ignorance is generally considered a form of free speech.
Super Dave we do not usually waste that much effort on Craig, he is like that odd cousin that you sort of zone out.
O.K. guys, let's be honest about this now. When you stop and consider all things, both Danr and craigG have a lot in common. To be accurate, one would think both of these gentlemen were Frenchmen. Ahhhh! there is nothing like having allies! (sometime)Kiss Viva La France!
Okay, dude, if you've got something against me, then just come out and say what it is, because I'm pretty tired of being put down by you and your naive commentary on why I am completely and utterly wrong. Honestly, man. Did I say that I disprove of the paryer in Congress? No. Did you ever do any of your research in this matter? Probably not, man. The founders of this country were DEISTS. Meaning, of course, that they believed in higher powers. Some were Christians, some were Catholics, some were Quakers, etc. etc. etc. Many of them were members of the brotherhood of the Masons. Their primary qualification to join them as a member is that you believe in a higher power. It does not specify what that is. Do your homework before you put me or anyone else down. ~AJ
