Floyd A Hero??

Discussion in 'Chatter' started by Mopar Dude, Feb 27, 2022.

  1. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Flipping thru the news channels and land on MSNBC. They break for a commercial which is a Black History Month ad. The announcer reaches the point in the ad where he is talking about black hero’s and George Floyds name is first……… Now I wasn’t asleep when that injustice took place. And fact is, the man was murdered at the hands of law enforcement…. But a hero?? He was a criminal passing counterfeit cash. And we look to him as a hero?
     
  2. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Yes, MD. You are right, and the media is wrong.

    They know it, and they just don't care . . .
     
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  3. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    I feel for your daughter. She needs all the heroes she can get. God isn't going to protect her from white supremacists, and you aren't going to be around most of her life. Sometimes people are heroes for what their lives come to represent, not who they were in life. You'll never understand such things because you have a closed mind.
     
  4. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    The humiliation tact needs to stop, Joe. It only serves to close minds that seek understanding.
     
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  5. Profiler
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    Profiler Well-Known Member

    Kinda ironic that Joe made that statement knowing he represents the party that wants to rename schools that were named after the founding fathers and destroy statues.
     
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  6. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    We all do Joe . . . Don’t misrepresent lowlifes as heroes. That just lowers the bar our society should aspire to.


    And you aren’t going to be around to remind your children / grandchildren to avoid the dangerous neighborhoods of Chicago either. Both are extreme situations and not commonplace, but both still demand mindfulness and not the broad brush assertions you so regularly make.


    If that’s the way you see it, I wholeheartedly declare you are no less guilty.
     
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  7. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    Democrats are living in Bizarro World...

     
  8. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    I watched the Floyd arrest minutes after it happened. We got to see the "full video" and I don't agree with that characterization at all. True, the optics of a white police officer with his knee on the neck of a black man looked pretty bad. It didn't help that spectators were yelling and distracting at the officer as he was doing his job. That's the part the MSM showed. The part they didn't show was before Floyd became unruly and was restrained. He was complaining he couldn't breathe then...when he was sitting all by himself.

    If you watch the video, the officer wasn't pressing hard on Floyd's neck at all. Floyd could lift up enough to move his head from side to side. George Floyd had a heart condition, had illegal drugs in this system, and resisted arrest. George Floyd has no one to blame but George Floyd. He's certainly not a "Hero"...far from it! He repeatedly complained he couldn't breathe when no one was touching him. What is law enforcement supposed to do...let him go? Resisting arrest is a crime in itself.

    Police have many responsibilities. My only question is...did the officer follow approved protocols? Apparently, his co-officers thought so. If his actions were excessive, I can see "maybe" a manslaughter charge...but not murder.

    Most folks didn't see the full video (on purpose). Folks look at the presented video clip from different perspectives, but most came to the same conclusion..."Guilty!". Liberals project every bad feeling they've ever had towards police. Conservatives are happy to agree. They think this "proves" they're not "racist" (like the O.J. Simpson fiasco)...but it proves exactly the opposite. I fear for the lives of law enforcement as we all descend further into Bizarro World. As usual, unapproved comments on race are (so I've been told) "racist". That's how the conversation is controlled.

    No one cares about facts, anymore...

    "Floyd had hypertensive heart disease, Baker said, "meaning his heart weighed more than it should." This meant Floyd's heart needed more oxygen than a normal heart and was "limited in its ability" to provide more oxygen when there was a demand for it.

    In the midst of an altercation and being held to the ground, adrenaline would pour into the body, Baker said, making the heart beat faster. "In my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take by virtue of those heart conditions," he said.

    Chauvin's defense attorney, Eric Nelson, has argued that Floyd died as a result of drugs and preexisting health conditions. And under cross examination, Baker said he believed those factors played a role."

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/us/derek-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-day-10/index.html

    Here's one of the videos where you can clearly hear him protest that he can't breathe...as he resists arrest (upright, no knee on neck). This was long before anyone had a knee on his neck. What would any of us have done differently in that situation?

    Granted, passing a counterfeit $20 bill isn't that big of a deal. It was very likely unintentional. I received a phony $20 bill from my credit union ATM once. I went inside to report it and they confiscated it! I told them that I got if from THEIR ATM!!! The said, "Prove it". That's just the way life goes sometimes. All George Floyd had to do was smile politely and say, "Ok,,,Prove it".

    It wasn't the passing of a bogus $20 bill that killed George Floyd. It was his personal health, drug abuse, and unwillingness to cooperate with law enforcement. He didn't die out of racial animus. George Floyd died due to a failure of our Public education system. Ultimately, it's the Municipal Teacher's Union that killed George Floyd..the same union stealing the soles of children today. If his death results in school choice for inner-city children, he will indeed be a Hero. In a sad way, he'll be MY Hero, too. His death was a tragic loss.

     
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  9. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Floyd is not a hero. He didn't do anything heroic. But, in death he has become a martyr to some. Martyrs can be raised to mythical proportions by those who want to utilize his martyrdom for their own selfish purposes.
     
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  10. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    A hero is someone like the soldier on Snake Island who told the Russians to go f**k themselves. Or the man who stood in the way of the Russian tank. Or, basically, anyone who stands up to the Communist/Fascist aggressors.
     
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  11. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Make no mistake, I think the word hero is thrown around so much, it has lost any meaning. Every high school dropout that enlists for one tour of duty and never sees any combat whatsoever is called a hero. Most come out dumber than they went in and twice as arrogant.
    If a historically repressed minority wants to find their heroes in common men, who are any of you to be offended or critical of their choices? Many of you still idolize Civil War traitors and slavers. Question your own choices first.
    This isn't directed specifically at you TC, but your comrads in general.
     
  12. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Don't let Trump hear you say that.
     
  13. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Your comment undermines the general welfare of those you pretend to argue in support of.

    To question, "If a historically repressed minority wants to find their heroes in common men, who are any of you to be offended or critical of their choices?" imbues in those minorities the acceptability of the very existence from which they wish to escape. One can't have it both ways . . . one must choose.

    To turn your argument around 180 degrees, who are you to encourage them to make heroes of those who do not raise themselves up?


    By the way, I noticed you didn't touch upon the Chicago neighborhood thing. Strike a nerve, did it?
     
  14. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    I don't encourage them but I don't criticize them either. It's really not my or your place to judge them. If their choices do not stand the test of time like many slavers didn't, their heroes will meet the same fate publicly. Point is, let them be them and you can worry about yourselves.
     
  15. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Fine, then if they wish to idolize the lifestyles of those who do nothing to lift themselves up, let them achieve the same end.

    And while you're so passively letting them off the hook, spare conservatives your criticisms, and let them be who they want.
     
  16. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Until they start criticizing others, I will.
     
  17. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    Them? Aren't they us? Why should we treat "them" differently than us? ...or is that "White Supremacy"?
     
  18. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    You talk as if "them" is an entirely, separate slice of American society completely separate from yourself. We are all one, Commie Joe.
     
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  19. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Silly point. You know what the reality is.
     
  20. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    Just because White Christian folks generally strive to make the best Life choices doesn't make the best choices "White Supremacy"...to be avoided at all costs. Please explain this "reality" you refer to. It sounds like you're promoting Segregation.
     
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