There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 When a system is set up to accomplish some goal, a new entity has come into being--the system itself. No matter what the "goal" of the system, it immediately begins to exhibit system behavior; that is, to act according to the general laws that govern the operation of all systems. Now the system itself has to be dealt with. < _Systemantics_
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:MeGdnZuyRO8kSkjanZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@giganews.com... > There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . > > And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. > > Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! > > Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . Unwell cars provide lots of interesting experiences. Did the tow-truck d00d rescue you from danger? Smee > > -- > tinmimus99@hotmail.com > > smeeter 11 or maybe 12 > > mp 10 > > mhm 29x13 > > When a system is set up to accomplish some goal, a > new entity has come into being--the system itself. > No matter what the "goal" of the system, it > immediately begins to exhibit system behavior; that > is, to act according to the general laws that govern > the operation of all systems. Now the system itself > has to be dealt with. > > < _Systemantics_ >
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:52:37 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote: >There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . > >And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. > >Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! > >Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . dead alternator. are we sure? thats an awful spesive part there compaired to a solenoid or cables or shit. -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
dave hillstrom wrote: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:52:37 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . >> >>And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. >> >>Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! >> >>Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . > > dead alternator. are we sure? thats an awful spesive part there > compaired to a solenoid or cables or shit. > If it smells bad, it ain't goona be cheap - something got cooked. -- nuts
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:15:27 +0000, pscissons wrote: > "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:MeGdnZuyRO8kSkjanZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@giganews.com... > >> There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . >> >> And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. >> >> Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! >> >> Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . > > Unwell cars provide lots of interesting experiences. Did the tow-truck d00d > rescue you from danger? > > Smee No, just boredom and disgust. If one were able to simply tow the dam' thing, I could've rousted the ol' truck out, but of course you have to raise the front wheels off the ground to tow one-a these here newfangled transaxle vehicles . . . . Anything to take emergency-handling, maintenance and repair out of the hands of the customer! -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 You want a job and a lizard to ride? < _The Einstein Intersection_
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:11:13 -0400, dave hillstrom wrote: > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:52:37 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . >> >> And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. >> >> Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! >> >> Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . > > dead alternator. are we sure? thats an awful spesive part there > compaired to a solenoid or cables or shit. I will of course start with battery and cable checks, although an earlier episode several days ago, a wonky start-up, led me to do a simple battery-voltage check at the jumper terminals and it came in at 12.4 V DC (I now see a dark mention of battery "surface voltage" that must be discharged first, and also a hint that voltage does not necessarily equate to starter-worthy current, in the Haynes manual). But I already see a corroded battery-cable/terminal down in there-- you have to take the air-filter off to get to the top of the battery, and you have to take the battery out through THE RIGHT FRONT WHEEL-WELL . . . . Can a dead battery or battery-cable just kill the car? I mean, where it's idling OK but when you turn on the headlights the vehicle dies, after which total electrical death? 'Cause that's what happened, after some noticeable flickering in the panel lights (I was just starting to mull over that at the time, basically, you know, "Hmmm" . . . ). I would've thought the alternator would be wired in parallel with the battery as far as the rest of the electrical system is concerned, if you see what I mean. -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 You want a job and a lizard to ride? < _The Einstein Intersection_
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:54:13 -0400, mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >dave hillstrom wrote: >> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:52:37 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . >>> >>>And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. >>> >>>Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! >>> >>>Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . >> >> dead alternator. are we sure? thats an awful spesive part there >> compaired to a solenoid or cables or shit. >> >If it smells bad, it ain't goona be cheap - something got cooked. could be just the solenoid. short across the solenoid, across the big terminals, with a good sized wrench and see what happens. mine goes out every few years. -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:27:40 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:11:13 -0400, dave hillstrom wrote: > >> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:52:37 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . >>> >>> And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. >>> >>> Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! >>> >>> Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . >> >> dead alternator. are we sure? thats an awful spesive part there >> compaired to a solenoid or cables or shit. > >I will of course start with battery and cable checks, although an earlier >episode several days ago, a wonky start-up, led me to do a simple >battery-voltage check at the jumper terminals and it came in at 12.4 V DC >(I now see a dark mention of battery "surface voltage" that must be >discharged first, and also a hint that voltage does not necessarily equate >to starter-worthy current, in the Haynes manual). > >But I already see a corroded battery-cable/terminal down in there-- you >have to take the air-filter off to get to the top of the battery, and you >have to take the battery out through THE RIGHT FRONT WHEEL-WELL . . . . > >Can a dead battery or battery-cable just kill the car? I mean, where it's >idling OK but when you turn on the headlights the vehicle dies, after >which total electrical death? > >'Cause that's what happened, after some noticeable flickering in the panel >lights (I was just starting to mull over that at the time, basically, you >know, "Hmmm" . . . ). > >I would've thought the alternator would be wired in parallel with the >battery as far as the rest of the electrical system is concerned, if you >see what I mean. first step, remove all corroded connections and clean them good in a bicarb of soda mixture. files will help. reassemble, see if shit works. second step, check amperage through alternator. third step, recharge battery. note how long it takes. try it again. if no go go back to step 2A and recurse until certain the battery is or is not dead. now my head hurts. -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Np-dnRiRzfSULUvanZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@giganews.com... > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:15:27 +0000, pscissons wrote: > > > "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:MeGdnZuyRO8kSkjanZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@giganews.com... > > > >> There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . > >> > >> And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. > >> > >> Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! > >> > >> Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . > > > > Unwell cars provide lots of interesting experiences. Did the tow-truck d00d > > rescue you from danger? > > > > Smee > > No, just boredom and disgust. > > If one were able to simply tow the dam' thing, I could've rousted the ol' > truck out, but of course you have to raise the front wheels off the ground > to tow one-a these here newfangled transaxle vehicles . . . . > > Anything to take emergency-handling, maintenance and repair out of the > hands of the customer! And of cour$e, it all co$t$ $o much more a$ well. $mee > > -- > tinmimus99@hotmail.com > > smeeter 11 or maybe 12 > > mp 10 > > mhm 29x13 > > You want a job and a lizard to ride? > > < _The Einstein Intersection_ >
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:33:50 -0400, dave hillstrom wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:54:13 -0400, mixed nuts > <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: > >>dave hillstrom wrote: >>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:52:37 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . >>>> >>>>And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. >>>> >>>>Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! >>>> >>>>Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . >>> >>> dead alternator. are we sure? thats an awful spesive part there >>> compaired to a solenoid or cables or shit. >>> >>If it smells bad, it ain't goona be cheap - something got cooked. > > could be just the solenoid. short across the solenoid, across the big > terminals, with a good sized wrench and see what happens. > > mine goes out every few years. Unfortunately, solenoid and starter-motor are a single unit on these here things. I gave up-- too busy and too needful of it fixed to fuck around in my usual bumbling Haynes-mantra-mumbling way with it-- and sent it to the hospital. If it's in more than a coupla days, I may go visit it. What should I take? Besides, of course, my checkbook and as much red blood as possible. -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 Since when is a mechanical cow an act of God? < Goulart
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:39:42 -0400, dave hillstrom wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:27:40 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:11:13 -0400, dave hillstrom wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:52:37 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . >>>> >>>> And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. >>>> >>>> Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! >>>> >>>> Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . >>> >>> dead alternator. are we sure? thats an awful spesive part there >>> compaired to a solenoid or cables or shit. >> >>I will of course start with battery and cable checks, although an earlier >>episode several days ago, a wonky start-up, led me to do a simple >>battery-voltage check at the jumper terminals and it came in at 12.4 V DC >>(I now see a dark mention of battery "surface voltage" that must be >>discharged first, and also a hint that voltage does not necessarily equate >>to starter-worthy current, in the Haynes manual). >> >>But I already see a corroded battery-cable/terminal down in there-- you >>have to take the air-filter off to get to the top of the battery, and you >>have to take the battery out through THE RIGHT FRONT WHEEL-WELL . . . . >> >>Can a dead battery or battery-cable just kill the car? I mean, where it's >>idling OK but when you turn on the headlights the vehicle dies, after >>which total electrical death? >> >>'Cause that's what happened, after some noticeable flickering in the panel >>lights (I was just starting to mull over that at the time, basically, you >>know, "Hmmm" . . . ). >> >>I would've thought the alternator would be wired in parallel with the >>battery as far as the rest of the electrical system is concerned, if you >>see what I mean. > > first step, remove all corroded connections and clean them good in a > bicarb of soda mixture. files will help. reassemble, see if shit > works. > > second step, check amperage through alternator. > > third step, recharge battery. note how long it takes. try it again. > if no go go back to step 2A and recurse until certain the battery is > or is not dead. > > now my head hurts. I gave up faster than that. Simple things I can do, but slowly, and never ever without bleeding. My major automotive triumph (about twenty years ago) was wrestling a four-speed manual transmission that was stuck in reverse off a car, IN the driveway, out from UNDERNEATH the vehicle (a bit-o'-two-by-four made a nice ramp to walk the damned thing down, and back up again afterward), and immediately spotting a dead giveaway, a gear canted over the end of the reverse shifter rail at 45 degrees (I imagine they made a quarter extra per vehicle by cutting the rail that short) . . . . I really wouldn't want to do that again, even if it was that easy to figger out again once the damned thing was off again. -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 Fall off and stay awhile. < Old Western greetin'
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:45:07 +0000, pscissons wrote: > "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:Np-dnRiRzfSULUvanZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@giganews.com... > >> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:15:27 +0000, pscissons wrote: >> >> > "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > news:MeGdnZuyRO8kSkjanZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@giganews.com... >> > >> >> There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . >> >> >> >> And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. >> >> >> >> Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! >> >> >> >> Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . >> > >> > Unwell cars provide lots of interesting experiences. Did the tow-truck >> > d00d rescue you from danger? >> > >> > Smee >> >> No, just boredom and disgust. >> >> If one were able to simply tow the dam' thing, I could've rousted the ol' >> truck out, but of course you have to raise the front wheels off the ground >> to tow one-a these here newfangled transaxle vehicles . . . . >> >> Anything to take emergency-handling, maintenance and repair out of the >> hands of the customer! > > And of cour$e, it all co$t$ $o much more a$ well. > > $mee Somebody has to pay for all those CEOs failing upward into platinum retirements. -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 Don't be a baby--sell out! < Lenny Bruce
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:27:54 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:39:42 -0400, dave hillstrom wrote: > >> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:27:40 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:11:13 -0400, dave hillstrom wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:52:37 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . >>>>> >>>>> And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. >>>>> >>>>> Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! >>>>> >>>>> Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . >>>> >>>> dead alternator. are we sure? thats an awful spesive part there >>>> compaired to a solenoid or cables or shit. >>> >>>I will of course start with battery and cable checks, although an earlier >>>episode several days ago, a wonky start-up, led me to do a simple >>>battery-voltage check at the jumper terminals and it came in at 12.4 V DC >>>(I now see a dark mention of battery "surface voltage" that must be >>>discharged first, and also a hint that voltage does not necessarily equate >>>to starter-worthy current, in the Haynes manual). >>> >>>But I already see a corroded battery-cable/terminal down in there-- you >>>have to take the air-filter off to get to the top of the battery, and you >>>have to take the battery out through THE RIGHT FRONT WHEEL-WELL . . . . >>> >>>Can a dead battery or battery-cable just kill the car? I mean, where it's >>>idling OK but when you turn on the headlights the vehicle dies, after >>>which total electrical death? >>> >>>'Cause that's what happened, after some noticeable flickering in the panel >>>lights (I was just starting to mull over that at the time, basically, you >>>know, "Hmmm" . . . ). >>> >>>I would've thought the alternator would be wired in parallel with the >>>battery as far as the rest of the electrical system is concerned, if you >>>see what I mean. >> >> first step, remove all corroded connections and clean them good in a >> bicarb of soda mixture. files will help. reassemble, see if shit >> works. >> >> second step, check amperage through alternator. >> >> third step, recharge battery. note how long it takes. try it again. >> if no go go back to step 2A and recurse until certain the battery is >> or is not dead. >> >> now my head hurts. > >I gave up faster than that. > >Simple things I can do, but slowly, and never ever without bleeding. > >My major automotive triumph (about twenty years ago) was wrestling a >four-speed manual transmission that was stuck in reverse off a car, IN the >driveway, out from UNDERNEATH the vehicle (a bit-o'-two-by-four made a >nice ramp to walk the damned thing down, and back up again afterward), and >immediately spotting a dead giveaway, a gear canted over the end of the >reverse shifter rail at 45 degrees (I imagine they made a quarter extra >per vehicle by cutting the rail that short) . . . . > >I really wouldn't want to do that again, even if it was that easy to >figger out again once the damned thing was off again. care for a roasted coffee bean? -- dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj <This space for rent.>
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:udednelEPLTaVEranZ2dnUVZ_q6mnZ2d@giganews.com... > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:33:50 -0400, dave hillstrom wrote: > > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:54:13 -0400, mixed nuts > > <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: > > > >>dave hillstrom wrote: > >>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:52:37 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>There's a smell of dead alternator out in my driveway . . . . > >>>> > >>>>And I practically cried thanking the tow-truck d00d. > >>>> > >>>>Now to explore the mysteries of Chrysler charging-systems! > >>>> > >>>>Oh, _Haayyynes_ . . . . > >>> > >>> dead alternator. are we sure? thats an awful spesive part there > >>> compaired to a solenoid or cables or shit. > >>> > >>If it smells bad, it ain't goona be cheap - something got cooked. > > > > could be just the solenoid. short across the solenoid, across the big > > terminals, with a good sized wrench and see what happens. > > > > mine goes out every few years. > > Unfortunately, solenoid and starter-motor are a single unit on these here > things. > > I gave up-- too busy and too needful of it fixed to fuck around in my > usual bumbling Haynes-mantra-mumbling way with it-- and sent it to the > hospital. > > If it's in more than a coupla days, I may go visit it. > > What should I take? > > Besides, of course, my checkbook and as much red blood as possible. A card with get well wishes, and the classified ads turned to the "junk cars to part out" section. We're talkin' motivation here. Smee > > -- > tinmimus99@hotmail.com > > smeeter 11 or maybe 12 > > mp 10 > > mhm 29x13 > > Since when is a mechanical cow an act of God? > > < Goulart > >
