Fair media?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by rlm's cents, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. IQless1
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    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    Awww c'mon! You're fluent in sarcasm and should recognise it's usage when you see it lol

    As for communism... (ducks as people start throwing stuff at him) ...Fine! Stop asking me to respond about it and I won't!
     
  2. HollysMom

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    While the words "communism" and "community" may appear to share a root word, the words are actually quite different. In addition, your opinion is far from proof. I'd like to see evidence that anyone who does not espouse the actual ideology proposed by communism is indeed a communist. So I repeat:

    Prove it.
     
  3. David

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  4. IQless1
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    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    And I repeat: You wouldn't understand, and haven't every time I've explained it, so convince me I'm wrong instead. Prove to me that communism isn't present in America. Go ahead, try it. Prove me wrong.
     
  5. HollysMom

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    You're the one making the charge. The onus of proof is on you.
     
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  6. IQless1
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    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    Actually, I can make the argument that you've made the charge that it isn't here, that you're the one who denied it's here in the first place. And that I've already proved it several times over, you just can't see it... your hatred for communism won't allow you to see it. So, prove me wrong, it's your turn.
     
  7. HollysMom

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    No, you've proven nothing. But that's fine. I'm more concerned about the Steelers' loss tonight than I am about your inability to prove your point. Communism is a failed and corrupt system that only serves the leadership of the system. The Steelers played a failed game on MNF and messed up the Saints' chance of clinching the division and second seed in the playoffs. Guess which one I care about more.
     
  8. IQless1
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    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    Again, I have proven my point... I have explained it ad nauseum... you just deny that I have. Why should I continue? And again, you point out the system that serves the leadership and missing my point entirely, how obtuse! lol

    Oh, Steeler's suck, Saints suck. :D
     
  9. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    You should not continue because you have proven/show nothing but ignorance.
     
  10. HollysMom

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    Well, I can agree with him about the Steelers, but he's obviously ignorant about the Saints.

    . . .

    and communism.
     
  11. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    I am sorry, but I find it impossible to support people who earn millions and got out on strike because they do not earn enough. Something about that just does not compute to me.

    However, it makes more sense than supporting communism.
     
  12. HollysMom

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    Yeah, I have issues with that, too--but the strike was not as much about how much they earn as it was about how much of their team's earnings that they kept. I have a lot of respect for Drew Brees, who acted as the players' spokesperson and tried to bring both sides together. Drew needs to stay in NOLA and run for mayor.

    Oh, and he doesn't support communism.
     
  13. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    I give. What is the difference between earning more and getting a bigger share of the teams earnings?

    Support may be a strong word, but he likes their medical, he does not like people speaking ill of them, and he seems to like their system. I made the logical assumption from there.
     
  14. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    You may as well give up now, HM. He won't give you an answer.
     
  15. HollysMom

    HollysMom New Member

    The difference is that the players were not so much demanding bigger salaries as they are asking the owners to make the cut more equitable. The owners take the financial risks while the players take the physical risks--so they felt they were entitled to a larger portion of the earnings (in my understanding, they were especially looking for a raise in rookie pay) and better health care. When your job demands that you can, on any day on the field, become a para- or quadriplegic, then demanding better healthcare (and not Obamacare) is not entirely unreasonable. After years of salary caps and profit sharing between teams, you have to expect some degree of negotiation about money.
     
  16. rlm's cents
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    At an average salary of $1.9M for an average of 3.5 years, I really cannot build much sympathy for any of them. Sorry.
     
  17. HollysMom

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    I'm not saying I ever supported the strike--but that does not keep me from enjoying football. Equally sorry--sort of. Better the football lockout, in my opinion, than the basketball lockout. I'm not sure why it should make a difference how much a person makes--if those wages are unfair in the arena in which that person works and do not reflect adequate compensation for their efforts and risks, then more equitable compensation should be able to be negotiated. Regardless of whether a person is a stock clerk, a nurses' aide, or a football player, the right to negotiate should remain the same.
     
  18. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    I'll agree that each player should be able to negotiate with his employer. If the outcome of the negotiation is not equitable to either party, then they're free to go their separate ways. Meaning that if the football player doesn't agree to what is being negotiated, he's more than welcome to negotiate with another team. Or if the employer doesn't agree to the player's demands, he can tell the player to kindly get back to work or leave his employment. I would be against, for instance, the entire team storming into the employer's office, intimidating the employer, perhaps setting his office on fire and threatening to not play for the season until their demands are met.
     
  19. HollysMom

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    Yes, Coin, but that's not what happened. Both sides understood that salary caps were going away for this season and that everyone would be renegotiating--and both sides knew this outcome for at least a year. Honestly, I was impressed with the efficiency with which the negotiations took place. Everything got done in a few months and the season itself was unaffected. I can think of only one time at which the negotiations broke down entirely and that was for a matter of days. When you realize how much restructuring actually needed to be done and that the NFL could have closed up shop entirely because of it, then it's actually a pretty impressive feat. I'm not saying that I feel that a strike was entirely justified, but the relative reasonableness of both sides was impressive when you think about how much money was at stake.
     
  20. IQless1
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    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    And here we go. Another standard response. Sometimes it's "He isn't going to respond", then on occasion, "He's losing it". It seems a more Republican trait, the inability to admit to anything that is a failure, they can't admit fault, they can't admit when they're wrong... at least not nearly often or honestly as a Democrat can. Those that can't find the courage to admit that to themselves, whether Republican, Democrat, or other... one and all, they are cowards.
     

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