ESPIONAGE you say?

It's fine and very appropriate to take photos when a search warrant is served. However (and this is a VERY BIG however), it's never, ever appropriate to remove any evidence from its container and spread it out on the floor haphardly. Each individual item in each individual box must be meticulously cataloged by an expert examiner in an environment conducive to such an examination. If you think the floor of Mar-a-Lago is such an environment to examine any evidence, then you're completely mistaken. Any attorney worth his salt will eat the FBI and the DOJ alive over this.

 

I may be wrong but I wouldn't think the empty folders/envelopes and the materials contained inside were the original source documents.

 

Well, who is to say? Removing documents (evidence) from their boxes, scattering them on the floor, opening folders, removing their contents, replacing those contents, folding over cover pages, haphazardly arranging them for a photo op... I hope for the DOJ's sake that every person who entered that room and every person who removed those documents, scattered them on the floor, folder over the pages, etc. is fully documented.

Those people will be called into court and their clearances will be scrutinized by President Trump's lawyers. If even one of those people didn't have clearance and they, in turn, in any way, shape or form handled those documents, the DOJ's case could possibly be thrown out of court.

Regardless, even if every person who entered that room had top security clearance, the way the documents were handled in such a scatter-brained way could spell the DOJ's downfall in this case.

Evidence, rightfully so, must be treated so that there is absolutely no question about the discovery of it, the handling of it, the documenting of it, the chain-of-custody of it, the storage of it, the access to it, the review of it and the disposition of it. If there is even the slightest bit of a break in the evidence chain, a case can be dismissed.

From what I see in the photograph at Mar-a-Lago, there are already questions to how this evidence is being handled... and it doesn't look good on the part of the DOJ or the FBI.

 

LOL, it seems someone got a new box of crayons for the new school year. Your link to OSAC doesn’t work, at least for me, so I have no way to know the date of the guidelines. Please paste 9.3-9.6 of your posted reference. I ask just to see why you believe this photo is SOP.
P.S. give a good link to your original source.

 

Ty, this is the proposed version but let’s just go with this as a basis as not to get too deep in the weeds. This is crime scene photo protocol for in-sito. For those of you that may “no comprende” that means as -is. The submitted photo is not in-sito, it is given as an evidentiary inventory photo. Since you have googled yourself an expertise in crime scene documentary, tell us why this photo does/ does not meet the criteria for an inventory photo. Can you correlate this photo with the inventory list?

 

Subset of contents from item #2

 

I was only suggesting that the contents and missing documents from the empty folders/envelopes should be easily determined by the DOJ using chain of custody. Not that it matters much because then they'll have to establish the missing information was actually in the folders when removed from the White House and transported to Mar-a-Lago.

 

Precisely!

 

Ahh, now we are getting somewhere. Inventory photos are taken to verify the inventory list. Can you accurately tell how many documents there are and what type they are? You made a comment earlier that none of the documents were marked declassified, can you tell me how many are marked classified. Look at this from a legal perspective since that’s why theses photos were taken. I’m not claiming innocence or guilt on Trumps part, I’m looking solely at this photo and it’s use.

 

Jesus Christ! I am astounded the Clown Spawn actually thinks this is some definitive important evidence of evil doing. Not one of the items clarifies status of clearance at time of change of possession, or, if it pleases the Columbo groupies, chain of custody.

IT IS AN EX PARTE INVENTORY, FOR CHRISTS' SAKE.

 

Fair enough, it is tough for me to tell the details in this photo. Though this is noted in the briefing as a redacted version of the inventory, and the original copy supplied to the court may be of better quality than the one that's been downloaded, distributed, and redownload ad nauseam. I also assume quite literally thousands of pictures were taken that day.

This right here though is the key. What is the legal purpose of this photo in the filing? According to the filing, it is meant to show that Trump and co defied his grand jury subpoena where his team signed saying all documents had been returned.

 

GeneWright, posted: "The affadavit, warrant, court documents filed by both Trump and the DOJ, etc."

NONSENSE, you don't live in FL! You did not see anything because it has not been released in its entirety. Was something unlawfully "leaked" to you like they did to the Corrupt Press who are in on the big scam and won prizes for reporting lies?

Gene continued: "Here's the problem, it's a mistake to think there's only 2 sides in most stories [I'm not worried about MOST STORIES! Did you major in blah, blah in college? I'm sorry Gene, there ARE TWO SIDES to this story and one side is BEING SUPPRESSED unless you look for it. ] and an even graver mistake to think all sides are actually represented."

Looks like you swerved into the truth. All sides are not represented. We'll need to wait for the trial. Unlike true, proven criminal offenses, and breaches of security, the government will decide to prosecute this time.

 

This photo has enough resolution to identify quite a few documents. A limited number are correctly marked as classified. Others are easily identifiable as not classified. Classified documents also have a “cure or ripen date” officially called a declassification date at the bottom of the page denoted as yyyymmdd. Why redact that? We know these documents didn’t come from the box shown and they don’t match the inventory list. This is a media photo meant to stir up the hopple heads on both sides.

None. This is meant for public dissipation. AG Garland said the DOJ speaks through filings. He conveniently omitted they also speak though leaks…..

 

Notice I said it was a subset of that box? It doesn't perfectly match, it's partial contents. There's probably another picture with the rest.

You're not saying this was a leaked photo are you?

 

“Subset” or not, it didn’t come out of the box pictured. Furthermore, the photo should show exactly what is inventoried to be an evidentiary photo.

No, I’m referring to the leaks to the Wapo.

 

Why do you suppose that?

 

Special master asks Trump to verify he declassified the documents. Response they filed today says they don't want to say whether they're declassified or not in court because it could hurt their defense in subsequent indictments. Can't see how proving under oath they're declassified would hurt him, but I am not a lawyer.

 

Apparently, neither are Trump's lawyers. The Dewy, Cheatem, and How law firm that represents this clown were the only ones dumb enough to take on a client that will never pay them. As well as a client that is a compulsive liar. Good luck.

 

Dearie puts Trump on notice that he will need to put up or shut up on declassification
Dearie – who served for several years on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court – indicated that he would not have much patience for Trump trying to muddy the waters around the classification status of documents marked as classified, particularly if Trump wasn’t willing to lay out why the records should not be treated as classified.

“If the government gives me prima facia evidence that these are classified documents, and you, for whatever reason, decide not to advance any claim of declassification, I’m left with a prima facia case of classified documents, and as far as I’m concerned, that’s the end of it,” Dearie told Trump’s lawyers at the hearing.

The Justice Department is asking an appeals court to exclude those 100 or so documents from Dearie’s review and has said that those documents should be presumed classified until the government can assess them.

Trump’s lawyers, meanwhile, have argued that the court should not make any assumptions about the classification status of the documents, while vaguely implying the documents may have been declassified. But Trump’s attorneys have stopped well short of asserting in court that Trump himself declassified them, and in a Monday letter to the special master, Trump’s lawyers indicated that they did not want to make such disclosures about declassification at this stage of the review. They telegraphed that could be a part of Trump’s defense if he is indicted.

Trump attorney Jim Trusty on Tuesday said that, until they see the documents, Trump’s legal team was not in a position to fully disclose their defense or specifically address the declassification issue. Dearie acknowledged that there was a legal strategy at play, but he also noted there was the practical issue of what recommendations he would need to make to Cannon.

“My view of it is you can’t have your cake and eat it,” Dearie told the Trump team.