DOJ Justifies Drone Strikes Against Americans

I think you're reading too much into the AUMF. It doesn't mention Al Qaeda, only those responsible for the attacks. If certain members of Al Qaeda were responsible for the attacks, we can hunt them down and kill them. But, no more than that. It doesn't give the president authorization to kill any member of Al Qaeda indiscriminately. But, that's what Eric Holder has done. He's justified Obama killing anyone if they're a member of Al Qaeda. Or any so-called "terrorist" organization as long as the president says they're tied to Al Qaeda

Heaven forbid a member of Occupy Wall Street claims Al Qaeda membership; the prez could wipe out the lot of them. I don't believe that's what the Congress intended with the AUMF. It's scope is focused only on those responsible for 9/11.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, RLM.

 

Not that I could in any way defend Holder, but he is reading it the same way Ashcroft did, Gonzales did, Clement did, Keisler did, Mukasey did, Filip did, and the way I read it. Do you think there might be something going on there or at least excluding me?

 

I don't know how those other people interpreted it, but Holder certainly has interpreted it to mean ANYONE affiliated with Al Qaeda. I don't think the Congress intended it to mean giving the president carte blanche to kill any Al Qaeda member, only those who were responsible for 9/11. The AUMF is specific about that as it says
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those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided ​

the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001

, or harbored such organizations or persons".​

If someone were to join Al Qaeda today they are, in effect, receiving a death sentence from Eric Holder even though they had nothing to do with 9/11. Again, I don't believe that's what the Congress intended with the AUMF and I don't believe the president was given that authority until Eric Holder recently justified it.​

 

You are trying to over parse it - really.

 

Perhaps so. But, I don't like to guess the SPIRIT of the law; I try to interpret the LETTER of the law.

BTW, it's good to have an adult discussion with someone on here who isn't calling you names, posting nasty pictures or is being a biased partisan hack. I've enjoyed it. Thanks for participating.

 

Been different for this place. Maybe it scared Teddy away.

 

Adding to this, 3:3:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason..."

 

Never thought I'd say this, but I actually agree with your assessment.

 

Where the hell is the so-called "transparency" of the Obama administration? Now, according to Nancy Pelosi, the administration can kill American citizens and they don't even have to acknowledge it! This is absolutely incredible!!

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It is commonly called campaigning (with the support of the lame street media). Haven't you figured it out yet. He/they can say anything they want to become elected but then do anything else after election.

 

Bush did the same thing, did the "lame street media" help him also?

 

Do you think Obama should kill this guy?

US-born former Army vet known as 'The American' fights alongside Al Qaeda​

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He's a U.S.-trained soldier turned Muslim warrior who moves between America and countries where the winds of the Arab spring blow, fighting alongside jihadists and America-hating terrorists while celebrating his bloody exploits on YouTube videos.​

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Eric Harroun, 30, grew up in Phoenix before joining the U.S. Army in 2000. Although Harroun was never deployed during his three-year hitch, he has seen plenty of combat fighting with Syrian rebels and, more recently, Jabhat al-Nusra, a group the U.S. State Department classifies as an alias for Al Qaeda in Iraq.​

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“I was separated in a battle and most of my group was K.I.A. and Al-Nusra picked me up,” Harroun told FoxNews.com during one of several brief interviews conducted via Skype.​

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Harroun, who said he is now in Turkey, shrugged off a question about fighting alongside Al Qaeda terrorists who have joined the Syrian rebellion, saying, "the U.S. plays both sides, too." He said the offshoot of the terror group behind the 9/11 attacks welcomed him.​

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“Getting into Al-Nusra is not rocket science," he said. "It just takes balls and brains.”​

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Harroun, known among Syrian rebels and loyalists alike as “The American,” has moved from one country to another, joining protesters in the takedown of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak before fighting alongside rebels attempting to depose Syria’s Bashar al-Assad. A prolific poster of online diatribes against the infidel, he's joined the threads of those calling for the deaths of Zionists.​

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His father, Darryl Harroun, told FoxNews.com that his son was discharged from the Army after he was seriously injured while riding in a pickup truck that hit a tree. He was left with full disability pay and a steel plate in his head, according to his father. ​

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"Now he has mood swings and what-not," said Darryl Harroun, who lives in Arizona and talks to his son by phone frequently. "He was already suffering from depression before that, and the accident just kind of multiplied it."​

Darryl Harroun said his son is seen as an adventurer by friends and relatives, who call him "Arizona Jones." ​

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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/11/muslim-holy-warrior-known-as-american-seen-in-syria/?intcmp=trending#ixzz2NIs0FxUP​

 

Hey, moron...I never said I had a problem with drones, so where does the "hypocrisy" come in to play?

You know, I don't get to stop by here very often anymore but it's good to see lil joe moen is still bringing such comic relief!

 

Well, you always have your two lapdog bitches to spew the same FOX talking points you would have regurgitated had you been able to show up. You're covered as long as you all stay in the Right-wing bubble and we know that you will.

 

Interesting?!?!?! Coin is on one side of this issue and I am on the other and yet you accuse us of following David and FOX talking points. I would love to see how you explain that.

 

I don't think he can! The far left's narrative tells him all Conservatives get their opinions from FOX, so when that's proven to be wrong (over & over & over again) he's ill-equipped to handle it.
It seems to be particularly hard for him when someone is consistent in their personal views...notice how he didn't address the part about the hypocrisy accusation?

 

At least we have an opinion whereas Little Joe hasn't stated his. I'd like to hear his opinion on Obama's policy of killing American citizens. He's too cowardly to present it, however.

 

Oh no! Larry, Moe and Curly don't like me. Darn, darn, darn.

 

Typical response. Just an attempt at insults and no facts.

 

I expected nothing else from him and he certainly delivered.