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Nope, that's not real fact. Those sites are all funded by the big oil companies, etc.. it's the same BS that the big tobacco companies tried to pull when they claimed that cancer was safe Correct. No one can do "Gods work" simply because no one knows what God wants, if anything. We are less than ants to him, in a Universe that makes Earth smaller than the size of a grain of sand. It's really arrogant to believe that God would care more about communicating with us than anything else on his universal agenda. This arrogance is at the heart of most religions, and why a lot of people are turned off by religions in general. Yep, one thing is for sure, they are all man made and serve only mans needs. First of all I'm not a "religion hater'. Secondly I never said that ONLY religions caused wars. Of course not, but the majority of deaths from the various wars started because of religions. Well, maybe it's not the religions fault per se, maybe it's more specifically the ignorance and narrow-mindedness that the religions promote. Your words, not mine Oh I don't know, maybe it's because atheist inherently don't have groups Not true. I've known many atheist who have donated a lot of time and money for such things. I think you are just being prejudiced. Just because someone has a different belief system than you doesn't mean that they are immune from helping others. You have no patent on that area. The fact that an atheist does not believe in ?God? does not indicate that they do not have a commitment to the well being of other people. All of the the atheistic people I know are educators and artists, healers and and scientists who develop new systems that benefit people people all around the world. They are, if anything, more firmly invested in benefitting humanity as a whole than the religious folks that I know who are more selective about who benefits from their efforts.
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Your so full of **** but I'm glad to have you aboard. It sure dose make it interesting seeing how the other half think.
Now the big man starts to backpeddle, how about how some schools had to show disclaimers before letting the kids see the movie? Why is it facts that prove you worng are a conspiracy? Your losing credibility fast. Now who is spouting assumptions? Your wrong of course but it is very interesting to watch the hoops of wacko logic you guys try to go through in your attacks on religion. We can know what God wants, he speaks to us all the time, when we do wrong we feel it, even hardoned criminals have spoken about the drive to confess, the feelings of depression and guilt associated with their actions. It gets more complicated than that but trying to keep it simple for you, this goes back to good and bad being standards, you don't have to call it God, but there is a flow to our existance that cannot be explained with science. To a certain extent I will agree with you, God made man, man made the many religions in his attempt to define and worship God, but man has never done anything in a perfect way, we mess up everything. Your own attempts to describe God as having better things to do than worry about us is your attempt to come to grips with the concept of God, but he still exists despite our failures to understand or define him. So your not a religion hater but then you say religion promotes ignorance and narrow-mindedness, right. Your a religion hater to be sure, in action if not by admission but your feble attempt to dodge my point about much greater killings done by Athiests will not work. Athiests have killed many more in their attempts to subject their beliefs on others then religious followers have. The salem witch hunts, the crusades, all the supposed "religious" wars account for less then a million people, while athiests have credit for over 100 million. As I said, selfish. Empty claim. There is not one athiest group doing anything but selfish religion bashing in the world. The ACLU is a prime example, spending all that time chasing down prayer in schools but not one guy willing to bring a hot meal to the needy. I live the life of helping people, our church runs two orphanages in poor Countries, I have never seen one athiest help anyone in my life, I have never heard of one group of athiests going to Darfur to assist those that need help, but I always hear about religious people doing these things. This is the third time I will point out that while you try to point out bad things about religion, you refuse to give credit to the good things religion does that nobody else will do. America was founded and made great on religious principles, every law has it's base in religion. Every successful society has a standard of a common belief structure at it's core and many of the failures such as the fall of Rome is clearly connceted to their attempted change in the common belief structure that held that society together. Even Richard Dawkins (the current "pope" of the athiest movement) grudgingly admits that religion is a moderating factor for society. I have no problem with Athiests, I am just wondering why everyone else must change to make them happy? Why not forge your own society, create your own structure instead of tearing down ours.
Not at all, I see it everyday. Of course a person would need to be open-minded to spot it. I did a quick google and found this atheist charity. You would have found them too snafu, as I'm sure google would work just as good for you snafu as it did for us, if you weren't so close-minded and took the initiative to just try If you were open-minded about such things then you would have learned that both Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, who have each individually made the two largest charitable donations in American history, are both atheist (oops, bet that's gotta kill your argument, huh?) and they can rightly claim credit for spurring many other ultra-rich to also be charitable. Ted Turner, the multi-billionaire, has also donated millions to others, and guess what snafu, he's an atheist too! George Soros, also a multi-billionaire, financier and philanthropist, has also donated millions and is also an atheist. The list goes on and on. There are literally hundreds more. You just don't hear about them because they tend to do these things quietly, and not with a lot of religious fanfare. How's that for facts snafu? That good enough for you? Didn't mean to wake you up
A web page hardly means anything, you could have just made the darn thing. They have no offices, no deeds, no actions and have never sent a relief group to war torn places like Darfur, no there are no athiest groups wo do anything. And a multi billionare giving a few million to charity is like a penny from you and me but what you should have taken the time to research is who the money went to, religious based groups becasue they are the only ones "doing" what needs to be done, so even if an Athiest does donate, he must donate to religious people because their the only "troops" on the ground.
I guess I shouldn't have harped on the fact issue. But if your going to debate, know that it's you opinion aganist who ever disagrees with you. It's all conjector. Even your google check against mine. I have a personal relationship with god. I don't believe in miracles. So he can't stop greed or coruption. I don't believe Jesus was resurrected. But I do know there is a god. Fact: you can't prove me wrong.
Oh and your preaching to the wrong person here. I agree that atheist can do good things. My dad is atheist and I swear he's the kindest, nicest person on the planet. I also agree that more people have died in the name of a god than any other reason. BUT that's man ****ing up. Not Gods.
Interesting how you'd call them 'disclamers' when that's really not what they were at all Typical of your fact twisting timesjoke. The judge that ruled on that said the film could be shown in its entirety as long as updated guidelines were followed. Not including those 9 updates would have simply violated the 1996 Education Act, it had nothing to do with the FACTS in the movie as a whole! Many of those 'updates' had to do with subjects NOT regarding if climate warming was real of not, they had to do with things like if polar bears were drowning. Get your facts straight OK timesjoke, it's really a hassle having to correct you all of the time. Well you've yet to display any such 'facts' so I can't comment. Really? Just out of curiosity is it a mans voice or a womans? How convenient that he only 'talks to you' and not to the entire world huh?... Yes there is. Too bad for you it doesn't have anything to do with man made religion. Not really. It was more of those primitive people just trying to understand what was happening around them. Can't blame them for that. No argument there Nope. Some things are unexplainable, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. Correct, it does. Just depends on what dogma they're trying to promote. LOL!!! Thanks, I needed that Oh look! You did it again Not a fan of theirs so I can't help you there.
So do I. Maybe you've seen them, and just didn't know that they were atheist That's because no such thing exist. For example; I've heard many accounts about how when some people first got married back in the 1970s, that catholic charities wouldn't help them out because they were not "good, church-going catholics." Basically because they didn't go to church every week (and put in their money filled envelope) the Church didn't consider them worthy of help. You see, it isn't because religion makes people morally better than atheism. Rather, it would be because churches often organize charitable activities and encourage their members to participate, while atheists, simply have no comparable social structure. It's not that churchgoers have a superior moral sentiment, just that because of their increased social structure they naturally have increased opportunity. I'll go you one better ... the entire school system was founded for the sole purpose of having a place where people could teach children how to read - the bible. I don't think they necessarily feel that you have to. The same however could be said about religions. Excuse me... OURS? Are you suggesting that something in society inherently belongs to you just because you have a religion? No, I told you, I don't believe in anything but the facts. If you want to convince me of anything you have to show me facts to back up your claim(s). I couldn't care less what opinions are thrown out on the table. When you form an opinion without the facts, you are starting to build a prejudice. Why would I want to prove you wrong? I agree 110% with you Hmm... weird... again I agree 110% OK where is snafu, and what have you done to him?
I just gave you a link where science is used to prove the entire movie is completely bogus. You didged those facts by claiming their biased but you failed to do two things. 1- You have not proven they were biased with anything more than your empty words. If yu cannot back up your claim of bias, don't make the claim. 2- You have not disproved the science that proved the movie wrong. All of the science used is clearly defined and step by step process is used to prove that there is no significant global warming caused by man. You keep asking for proof, I gave you proof, so now put up or shut up. Neither, as I keep saying, it is a feeling that is in all of us, even hardoned criminals feel the pressure to confess their sins, the natural flow of right and wrong is offered to all of our hearts. We decide to listen or not. Sure it does, just not to the specifics they attempted to define it. This is common for man to fill in the blanks of things they don't understand with their own desires. The same way your fiiling in the blanks with your intolerance for religion.
I agree with a lot of this. Religion does not make you a better person. Many Atheists are nice people. Religion is a business like any other. That puts theists in the same group as used car salesmen, mortgage lenders, politicians and many other unsavoury types. Often they are seen as harmless, but look again, this time more closely. All the worlds major tyrants were theists: Hitler,Stalin, Ma Tse Tung, Pol Pot etc. But dont believe for a moment hat its al in the past. They are very active in the present. In most schools they are peddling their intolerant drivel to our children. It should be outlawed, however the theists have such a grip that this will take years to acheive.
Yes, many are. The issue that TJ is trying to get across is that when atheist band together to accomplish a goal, it is always to tear down, not to build up. They attack the mystery of life and try to replace it with mundane scientific cause. Roadside memorials are attacked as religious symbols. Charitable Christian efforts are attacked as if they were merely greedy religious indoctrination attempts.
Agreed IWS, there is no way to prove it either way. So lets just do what they do in a court of law, we'll use circumstantial evidence, or whatever you like to call it. Facts: 1/God will not show up if challenged. 2/ No one has ever seen a miracle from these holy Joes, even though the world is full of them. 3/This faerie who loves you all so dearly does **** all, while rapes, murders, famines , wars and all sorts of heinous things occur Probability: The sky faeries theory is complete bull****
I think web was just showing you that you were wrong again TJ, remember just a little way back? when you sais Atheists were selfish, thats clearly not the case
How is this proof I am wrong? Do you believe the big donation was without a tax consideration? Making a sacrifice to assist others is charity, paying money to get a tax writeoff is not charity. He still has not proven a single athiest has ever directly assisted people in the way religious people have. I can provide millions of example of how religious people give their own time, their money (without tax breaks), they truly want to help people because it the right thing to do. He has also openly stated ahtisets are not social the way religious people are so again, this supports my possition that an athiest is the definition of selfish. He has still never answered why athiests always want to destroy religion, even your intollerant comment about sky faeries and such is insulting and rude but you see nothing wrong with being intollerant. If you find yourself making excuses for why athiests are selfish, and ignoring the good works religion does just to attack it, that should be a clue your wrong. But again, I fully support your right to believe what you want, I just wish you could keep your intollerance to yourself, not call me and others names and put us down just because you don't believe what we believe. Sure, I have made comments about athiests and I am still waiting for proof I am wrong, he and you are still posting empty words while I have posted proof that religious people do good things like run orphanages while you can offer not one piece of evidence that an athiest has ever directly assisted anyone in the same way, much less to the same degree that would be a comparison "after" you could produce some evidence of an athiest doing this.
You said that Atheists were selfish. The proof has been given by webs reply. He cites several Atheists giving huge sums of money to charity. Clearly these Atheists are not selfish people. There may be a tax concession, but this is true also for Theist contributions to charities. Dont expect to ignore Atheist contributions, while patting heists on the back. It works both ways TJ He just did prove it !!!! No. He said the Atheists do not have the social network to act in a way a big organisation like Christians can. We are not held together by our belief as your group is No they dont. I do not want to destroy religion. I only ask that you stop brainwashing children with your silly beliefs I do not ignore the good work done by Theists. Any charitable good work is good work. I have never called you or others names that I can recall. And I am certainly not intolerant of you or your cause. I jus disagree with it. You are just being silly here. Wh do you think puts money into Christian charity boxes ? The general public thats who ! The money is not raised exclusively by Christians and you know that ! They collect in supermarkets, malls, shopping centres etc and are forever pushing little envelopes through peoples doors Stop trying to hijack the charity of the general public, like it was all the work of your group
I cannot believe you don't understand the concept of how big money people use these large donation to "make" money. If I give you a dollar from my posket to help you buy a meal, that is charity, if a multibillion dollar person gives you a dollar, it is because he is making two dollars in return, that is not charity. It falls to what the intent to give the money is. Charity is in the heart, not in the wallet. No he did not, but even if he did, yes the contribution "looks" good, but accounts for nothing compared to the overall contributions given by all religious people for social programs, and these contributions come from people who could use that money to improve their own lives, the money given buy the rich to get tax breaks cannot improve their lives, it is meaningless to them, and has no significant meaning to them to give it. And that means you cannot pool your resources to assist others, your attitude is the self, not others. First of all, it is not brainwashing, you using desparaging remarks to describe those who follow religious beliefs is. It is like the racist that calls black people the "N" word. Children can learn intollerance from hearing the intollerant adults like you speak. I was specifically talking about things like the movie he said was good. These things concentrate on focusing down on some real things, adding in completely false things, and presenting it all without balancing it with the reality that only religious people do things like help in Darfur, or deliver hot meals to the needy. If you use a general term in a negative way to describe all religious people, and you know I am religious, then you are calling me names. Most charity boxes in stores are not real charities, less then 10% of those donations ever make it to real charities, most of the money goes in the pockets of those running the scams. Most charity donations come from Christians, ad to that the workers actually doing the work are all Christians, and you start to see who really cares about helping society. Charity is inherently a Christian concept. As you guys already said, your not social, so you don't feel the connection to society the way religious people do. The few times you see real charity collectors is the salvation army for example. The person ringing the bell is Christian, the group is run by Christians, the people doing the managing and supply are Christians, the final distribution is handles by Christians........ Do you see a pattern forming?
