Does anyone know which state in US has the largest percentage of Libertarians?

I was never referring to Christians in general. Lutherans, Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, and any number of other Christian religions are just fine with me. It's just the far, far Right Christian Nationalists; you know, the folks with red, white and blue crosses that scare me at least as much as foreign born Fundamentalists.

No, they aren't strapping bombs to themselves and carrying out targeted kills, unless you consider Timothy McVeigh (Oklahoma bomber), James C Kopp (abortion doctor sniper), Eric Rudolph (Olympic Bomber). All radicalized by the far Right. It isn't as frequent as Muslim bombings but wait until things start to not go their way. I don't believe that any rational person could justify the barbarism of Islamic militants but I do believe some among us may learn from it. And that's what we have to worry about in this country.

 

I don't know. There is a problem with democracy in America, but it is not the U.S. Constitution. I am convinced that the problem with representative government in the USA boils down to the abundance of ignorant and emotional voters, not the numbers of Democrats and Republicans. I really think the Nation would be better served by having codified voting requirements. To limit voting rights to individuals who can read, write, and understand fundamental issues will never happen, but it should happen. Most of the major problems we face as a Nation, and the election of incumbent crooks and dullards, relates to bald-faced ignorance and pathologic apathy. It is really too bad. I think that many American politicians owe their careers to the whims of poor judgement of ignorant voters who don't understand the important issues or even care much.

 

Everytime the discussion comes up, the same names appear as "radical Christians" or radical-far-right. That's 3 names. Here's the big difference...other "Christians" had no issue hunting and prosecuting these people. If I saw a person robbing a bank and he would tell me that he is doing it for Jesus Christ, I STILL would have no issue calling him to task and making sure he was put away. If I was a COP, I would drop him...no guilt, no remorse.

That is just ONE of the major differances between radical Christians (the people who knock on doors asking if you are saved?) and radical muslims who want to convert, enslave, rape your wife, and/or kill infidels. Other Christians like me (yes, I consider myself a Christian) would have no issue in going after these abortion doctor killers and such. The muslim population doesn't do this. They support, harbor, and celebrate these attacks on OUR culture as a message from allah. Here's what mulsims did after learning about 9/11 and the WTC's collapse:



Sure the Church had their share of battles and killings in the dark ages, but here is the BIG difference...Christianity (99.999999999% of it) has moved into the modern society while Islam is still trying to keep its followers back to the days of their dirty-night-shirt mohammad.

Look, we can't get the congress and the president to protect our borders by stopping the flood of ILLEGALS invading this country. I wouldn't worry about any of the very few "bible thumpers" in Washington. You think that border control makes sense and is in the president's duty to "defend and protect", but they can't even do THAT! What you fear is protected in the Constitution and the separation of church and state isn't about to be changed unless this county is over thrown.

Not in my life time...but I can see it happening. After all, all great civilizations come to an end, right?

 

Many generalizations here, thus many inaccuracies.

 

For example....?

 

Implication that McV was a Christian. There is a large liberal tradition among people of faith, and many of the right wing militia types have nothing to do with Christianity.

 

You're thinking too generally about Christianity. I'm talking more specifically about Christian Nationalists. McVeigh was radicalized by his associations with Christian-based groups against what they call the tyranny of the Federal Government. Militias, and anti-Federalists have many ties to the radical Christian Right.

 

Old Tim was a tweeker from Kingman AZ (those from AZ will know what that means).

 

How 'bout tellin' the rest of us.

 

Alaska followed by New Hampshire has the highest percentage of Libertarians according to the Libertarian Party. I know that a year or two ago there were people trying to move to New Hampshire in order to elect a Libertarian to the national level.

 

Alaska followed by New Hampshire has the highest percentage of Libertarians according to the Libertarian Party. I know that a year or two ago there were people trying to move to New Hampshire in order to elect a Libertarian to the national level.

 

Kingman is a small town that is located close to Vegas. The town is known for having a huge meth problem. McV and Nichols were from Kingman. The Ok city bombing is more a result of a paranoid meth trip than any ideology.

 

That's an odd belief. Paranoid meth trips usually don't result in hundreds of deaths after months of planning. I think you've over-genalized the meth connection.

Christian Right is a term collectively referring to a spectrum of right-wing Christian political and social movements and organizations characterized by their strong support of social values they deem traditional in western countries. Furthermore, many New Zealand, Australian, Canadian and British Christian Right organisations use discourse, tactics and strategies from the US Christian Right in their own contexts, leading their feminist, gay and social liberal opponents to foster their own global networking in retaliation. The terms Christian Right and Religious Right are sometimes used interchangeably, although this is problematic.

 

You must be unfamiliar with meth- it often causes violent behaviour, and McV was a tweeker and paranoid (his paranoia was not organic but drug induced).
As for the Christian right (the USA variety) much of this phenom comes from a concerted effort of the Republican party to cynically manipulate poorly educated people in the South East.

 

Although most of the Christian Right's political support and main champions are in the GOP, it is more the result of Republicans defining themselves as the keepers of America’s values that binds the two organizations together. The GOP is more than willing to reap the financial gains and support of a huge voting bloc if it means bringing up token anti-gay amendments and appointing antiabortion justices at all levels couched in the guise of American values legislation.

The Republicans are just the middle-men here and obviously share in the blame for extending a rather far right groups agenda, but they are not the framers of the ideology. And I can assure you that the leaders of this movement are not poorly educated and have a long-term plan to seize the reins of power in this country and turn it into a fascist theocracy as soon as they can. They have laid much of the ground work and are waiting for some kind of crisis of government to move in and take over this country.

This ties in with your 9/11 conspiracy theory because in the event of some attack the government can't cope with or some natural disaster (Avian Flu) people tend to lose faith in their government and this group plans to take the opportunity to create their vision of a born-again Christian society. They have written and vocalized this openly to their followers. You like conspiracy theories and this one has ties that go from George Bush to the Reverend Sun Myung Moon. And it's all documented and making it's way into the mainstream political arena with movements like the teaching of intelligent design in public schools, anti gay legislation, and the reconstructionist legislation.

 

I must of missed these legislative signings. Intelligent design being taught in our government schools? Shoot, we can't even get the government schools to recognize Christmas Break much less having this 'alternative' taught in our school system.

Anti-gay legislation? If you are referring to the definition of marriage being defined as bond between a man and woman has being anti-gay...B.F.D. Do I think we should waste time on this? Absolutely not. Just because some people have a defective chromosome (not XX, or XY...but somewhere in between) doesn't mean they need extra rights over people with normal chromosomes. Now before you jump on me, I don't believe a person chooses to be gay. I believe they are born with this "defect" because nobody in their right mind would like to grow up and be gay! From a science standpoint, you have to admit, there is nothing "natural" about this...hence my belief there is a 'stray' chromosome that can't make up "its" mind.

Anti-abortion legislation and judges? I always felt abortion is a personal matter. I don't think a 8 month or 9 month (late term) baby should be aborted, but hey, that is just me.

Reconstructionists legislation? I have to admit. When I read that, I immediately thought you were talking about the period following the Civil War. So excuse me on this one, I am a little lost.

Remember...today's republicans that you are worried about are no differant than democrats of the 60's. They spend like them and they fight wars like them. So bottom line, you don't have worry about the far-right because they are not in D.C. and I doubt any vocal-reborn-Christian will ever be.

 

http://www.getreligion.org/?p=1647
I don't know Moen, you may be overestimating these guys.

 

I would have said the same thing a month or two ago. I understand why people of this country find a movement like this one hard to believe. I once heard the rise of Christian Nationalism described as a lobster in a pot of cold water on the stove. You don't feel it at first but eventually the water heats up enough and kills you.
The Nazis used a similar method to capture the government in Germany in the 30's. The average German didn't feel much different in the beginning but the madness and fear grew to the point which threatened anyone who opposed their fascist ideas. These people absolutely hate gays, so did the Nazis, They hate the Jewish controlled media and so did the Nazis. They have a superiority complex the same as the Nazis. If you know anything about the Nazis rise to power, the similarities are striking.
Overestimating them is least of my worries when it comes to people this screwed in the head.
What I don’t understand is why aren’t gays fighting back? They are under attack and seem to be also underestimating what these people are capable of doing to their civil rights. It’s not like they have all the civil rights non-gays have right now and they are in danger of losing even more. Many people will say “Big deal, I’m not gay. Why should I care?” But, if they win this battle, whose civil rights go out the window next, Jews, Liberals, Intellectuals, Artists, non-Christians, Yours? Think about it next time you hear terms like activist judges, intelligent design, and reconstruction legislation and anything that strips gays of any freedoms. You’ll find some loving, God fearing, righteous fundamentalists behind it.

 

The gay thing goes like this: when Bush's poll numbers plunge he takes out the gays and beats up on them. It is ugly, but not the ugliest thing this creep has done. They will not push through anything (law wise) on a national level.

 

...And because it appeases his base which consists of these ideological freaks from the Dark Ages.

If you want to read something this summer that’ll scare your complacency off, read Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism by Michelle Goldberg. It sort of rivals any fear foreign terrors have elicited in this country. Its like 14 bucks on Amazon