Democrats are bad...

Question for all you righties.
I've continually read how bad the left is, how bad Obama is...before him Clinton, and on down the road. Let's say you're all correct. The dems are awful. What stands out on the right? Please tell me what the republicans offer to our society as a whole. What are their platforms? I'd like to see the words in print if anyone can do it. You're all great at finding fault with the other side, so you ought to be able to at least tell us what's so fantastic about the republicans. What would that be? Please list the best aspects of your party that so blatently contrast to the left. I can't wait.

 

The republicans are not the only alternative to the dems. I am for free enterprise rather than socialism. I am for businesses making profits so they can hire more employees, not the government buying a few jobs. The reps are closer to this than the dems, but neither are just what I am looking for.

 

Excellent question TC and one that needs a full answer. Except for one thing, lets change repo for conservative. My additude it F the Repos.......they can kiss my ass.

Give me a cpl days to reply, like I said in another thread, I am busy. You do pose an honest question and deserve a full reply. I will offer that.

 

I agree they're not the only alternative. But let's see...republicans or democrats controlled the white house for how many years now? Voting for independants is all very noble but, only two parties can possibly win the white house, and with the supreme court ruling yesterday, it ain't likely to change anytime soon. So aside from noble intentions, what specifically, highlights the best republican qualities, and how do they employ that in today's society? I would think this should be a slam dunk...full of pages and pages of responses, but I'll settle for one right now.

 

Hard to say what their platform is as a whole. How do you speak for everybody? Even if they are for corporate interests and smaller government in general, at least they're honest about it. I get so sick and tired of listening to people whine about how the republicans are for the rich. Oh, "I'm anti-republican. They only take care of the rich!" But yet these people finally get their friggin utopia!! They get their leftwing extremist leader in Obama. They get their dem majority in congress. And what exactly changes for the poor? How bad have the rich suffered under this administration? Did they bring the big banks to their knees like everybody expected? C'mon! Lets be serious. People are just ignorant to not see the obvious. If that's people's only argument for democrats, its a sad one because it's a flat out myth.

I'm not saying the republicans do a fantastic job while in office. They still screw things up and spend too much money (just as the democrats are doing now.) But in general, I tend to worry much less and feel more at ease when they are in there because there's usually a little more common sense involved.

The firearm debate alone is a hot button issue for me. It's the least of this country's problems. We've got laws that are above and beyond what is needed already. But when the democrats get in there and one person goes on a shooting rampage, their knee jerk reaction is to jump to conclusions and rush to try to push through the most draconian laws on the entire country and punish all law abiding citizens. They do their damndest to make everybody into a criminal. The republicans are at least willing to let the issue be. Obama's anti-gun views are the most extreme we've ever seen. Between him and the kooks from California, it's a wonder why it's still legal to own butter knives.

The republicans traditionally are willing to be realistic about what is needed to maintain a decent military. Bill Clinton, cutting it down to bare bones and robbing the last real pennies from social security in order to achieve a balanced budget for one year doesn't exactly do us any favors. And probably ended up costing us more money in the long run.

The democrats strive for people to be uninformed victims. The more uninformed victims they have, the more votes they can get. This isn't helping people. But, we know they will stop at nothing to get elected. Just as Hillary was trying to ensure illegals and felons in the prison system could get their votes in for her in NY. A power grab by any means necessary. I think that is desperate, pathetic and self serving. And many of them engage in this.

I get tired of hearing how the democrats are fighting for the poor when they are all filthy rich, stuck up snobs themselves that don't have a clue what it's like to have a real job. They are career politicians. That is all. Chuck Schumer comes to mind. Just an arrogant a-hole to the 'commoner'. "He and his friends know what's best for you and your family." Don't really know how anybody in their right mind could cast a vote for that scum bag.

I don't want gay marriage championed. I hate to see abortion championed. I don't want amnesty for illegals or open boarders.

I think people should be encouraged to succeed to their maximum extent possible. If all that is, is working at McDonalds, than so be it. Somebody has to. To make a bunch of promises that are so unfathomably unrealistic, such as free health care for the poor, is wreckless and irresponsible. The people have already been promised, far, far, faaaar more than the government will be able to provide them in the next 50 years. Much less any point beyond that, or any other additional programs.

As far as the environment is concerned, yeah, maybe the dems take care of things a bit better. But to push a global warming hoax on people and scare everybody (even school children), to help pass cap and trade (which is a bill that Goldman Sachs invented 10 years ago because of the 1 trillion dollar a year profit potential they stand to gain from these govt. mandated carbon credits) is yet more irresponsibility and b.s. that will actually hurt the poor. Not help them. Al Gore has 3 former, high ranking Goldman Sachs officials on his board, running the show. You would think he would have turned to the country's leading environmentalists? Must just be a coinicidence that they're involved with this too....

In general, I can't think of many democrats I would have any respect for or actually like. It seems they're all arrogant, holier than thou, hypocritical, elitist types that shouldn't be anywhere near government office. But, people are easy to fool because they are lazy. So, these people get elected.

 

Very good question Tom...very refreshing and well stated. Your right the dems are awful and the rebubs aint far behind. The best thing I can say about the Republican is they did try to offer some alternative health care issues but the dems wouldnt even let them speak. Arrogance gets you nowhere.

Republicans used to stand for lower taxes, less government, strong defense but I cannot tell you what there platform is now. I think this is why you now see people leaving the party and tring to find a place and some leaders that will stick their core beliefs. Thus the growth in the independents and tea'ers.
I think the poll numbers from Mass. were very telling, that only 25% identified with being Republican so that means a whole lot of others voted for Brown proving there are a lot of people fed up with politics as usual.

Poltical parties have shown throughout history that they can change with the times. I hope a party can emerge that fits my poltical believes and millions of other Americans, based on letting the best workers on Earth do the things they are best at, working hard, creating jobs, putting their innovations and ideas to work without, rules, taxes, surtaxes, sursurtaxes. I would also see a party stand for a balanced budget admendment.

It was the capatialist system that made us the best in the history of the world. Where did most of the cutting edge technology come from? Who put man on the moon? Who harnessed electricity and who gave it to the masses? Who has shared with the rest of the world all these great accomplishments? Who has given more to the world (dollars and blood) than any other nation?

Tom, I think both of us agree there is not a party out there that represents both our views, but just maybe we can come together and get some of the good ones out there and vote the bad apples out and come together and discuss practical solutions to our nations problems.

 

Ok Vess I've reread your post three times. I see the usual left bashing (that's fine..I've shown my contempt for the right on occasion).
Aside from the bashing...I've gathered that they make you feel better. Ok. More common sense. Ok. They screw things up too and spend too much money. Got it. Guns are good. Got it. Don't dig gays. Got it. Anti abortion. Check. Illegal aliens bad...build walls..close the borders. Got it. Work at McDonalds cause you need your Big Mac. Checkaroo. Health care for the poor. Bad idea. That about cover it?
The remaining portions of your post can be summed up this way. The left sucks. 10-4.

Thanks for highlighting the right's most positive aspects. That it? Anyone else?

 

Ok. You basically say what you'd like to see, but I didn't see much to list as positive aspects of the right. The accomplishments you listed for were originated by Americans. Would that be any more accurate? I didn't notice where you said that the "right" harnessed electricity (for example).
So is it your contention that because the right, sides with, favors, supports (choose your words) capitalism (the wealthy getting more wealthy would be my choice of words there), they therefore are the better party? Cause as far as I know..America did include non republicans, did it not?
Is there anything, policy wise, or via some platform that is specifically republican owned idealogy that makes them markedly better..like "cut corporate taxes" like phrases or some such idea? What sets them apart this is so obviously "republican oriented".
Maybe someone could give me a specific example of something instituted and owned by the right that the left is opposed to.

 

If you gave me a choice between only Agnostisism and Atheism, I would still choose neither.

The Republican Party can talk a good game on some issues like fiscal policy and smaller government. But, it is just a sham. They don't really believe it or do it. It is just populist drivel.

 

I hear the republicans speak for the entirety of the left all the time.

 

What answer could possibly satisfy you Tom? You've had at least 4 people step up already and admit that the 'republican' party as it is right now, sucks. I thought you would be happy?

I never said healthcare for the poor was bad. I'm saying it's unrealistic and dangerous to keep promising people what they can't provide. It's one of those things that is easy to talk about on a forum but a downright bitch to implement!
If the govt had 100 trillion dollars cash in a high yield savings account, just sitting there, I'd say go for it. Give the poor free, health care, and maybe even a free annual spa treatment with it. But, as you know there is ZERO in savings and they are 10s of trillions in the red as it is now. How desperate are you to want to bankrupt the country? That is shear stupidity. You have no idea how much it would actually cost.

They've talked about taxing people's healthcare as income!! For many, that's 12k a year or much more that would be reported as extra income. How would you like to be taxed on all that from now on? I don't want to be. I'm paying a huge percentage to income tax and social security, that goes into multiple failing/failed systems. I sure as hell don't want to add another!!!!

I would like to see the job you would do explaining why the democrats are good. I'd like to see you do any better. The party is so phony. They spend more time tricking people into believing things than they do trying to inform. I feel they are more dangerous to the country than the republicans. They have to lie and fool people to get elected.

But I'm glad Obama got in there now. Everybody needed to see the debacle it has turned into. McCain wouldn't have helped anything change. If Ron Paul could have gotten in, I would have volunteered to be his body guard because I think he could have gotten some good things done for the American people. The rest, I wouldn't walk across the street to see.

 

I am not saying I spend or spent all my votes on independents/libertarians. FWIW, the way Oklahoma is set up, you pretty much do not have independents and few others. What I am saying is that I look at the candidates record and vote for those who most closely approach my values. In 2008, I could pick between McCain and Obama. Now, if Obama were running against Michael Moore, I might have voted for him. Aside from that, I vote "for" the other candidate.

 

Now see I would've voted for Michael Moore, even over Obama, but that's just me, given those choices. You can't look to closely at the individuals without considering the party that bankrolls them, and THEIR agenda. To me, the President has little control over their party and their party's lobbyists. The party is the more direct threat. So, as I have said before, I wouldn't say the democrats are closest to my values...but I WOULD say that the republican is FURTHEST from them. Hence, by default, I have to vote democrat. By eliminating the worst possible party choice, you are effectively voting for the "best" party, because there are ONLY 2 that can win!!!

 

"The republican party sucks". That satisfies me. So the next logical conclusion should be, not to B**ch about someone or some party when their alternative party (the one that the people b**ching likely voted for), AIN'T NO BETTER.
Point being...if you have something BETTER, then step forward, and if not, put a sock in it!

Thank you for agreeing with my conclusions about the republican party though.

 

The enemy of your enemy is not automatically your friend. Thinking they are and rooting for a team just because they are your team are two of the things I think I hear articulated the most around here. It is a thing of wonder how easily the system manipulates the individual in our political system. I just can;t imagine that is what this country was intended to be like.

 

The first person I thought of after reading this was Osama Bin Laden. Guess we should have helped the Soviets.

 

Or just stayed out of it altogether.

 

One party proudly represents the rich and powerful, and the only other electable party occasionally includes people besides the rich and powerful. Easy choice on who to root for, rather, more accurately, root AGAINST. The other only obvious choice would be NOT to vote at all or vote for an independant..both of which ensure the right and the corporations will continue to rape and advance. Voting AGAINST the proven "FU we're rich" party at least provides some possibility that we all can someday turn the tables on those kinds of folks.

 

If I really thought one party was better than the other, I would probably do the same as you. Unfortunately, I see it as stabbed to death or shot to death...the end result is the same.

Whether it is the banks in the stimulus plans or the drug companies in the healthcare bills, the Democrats are no better than the Republicans when it comes to being in the hip pocket of corporations. They are just better as pulling the wool over people's eyes about it. And all of that will indeed only get worse after this weeks court ruling.

So I can vote for gridlock (and I have) or I can vote my conscience (which I do more and more often).

 

I agree, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the mainstream of the two parties. The battle being waged, as I see it, is between conservative & liberal philosophy.
I firmly believe conservative efforts are designed to empower the people- to make their own decisions & give them opportunity to succeed (or fail) depending on individual initiative, effort & hard work. You determine your destiny.
Liberals, on the other hand, look to the government as the ultimate decision maker & care taker. Whether they admit it or not, liberals want the government to make them equal to everyone else, regardless of their individual contribution to society.
Conservatives want individuals to take personal responsibility to succeed while liberal programs are designed to perpetuate current conditions.
Take welfare & subsidized housing for example. Both of these have become family traditions. If welfare really worked to end poverty why does it still exist after so many years? Why are 4th & 5th generations of the same families still in subsidized housing?

One more thing, and tomc needs to research this, the majority of wealth in the US is held by people who identify thenselves as liberal...I think it is something like 74%? And well over 50% of CEO's consider themselves liberal. So maybe the next time the rich are chastised you better make sure you know who you are bashing.