Democracy Prevails In Wisconsin - Governor Walker WINS!!!!

Whether or not you wanted to burn down the State House in Wisconsin after Gov. Scott Walker stood up to the crooked and partisan labor unions, you must admit that today's election was an example of democracy in action.

No matter how much money was poured into the recall effort or how much was spent defending Gov. Walker, it came down to a vote of the people of Wisconsin. And they have spoken loud and clear! The democratic process has once again been proven and people across our great nation should be proud of the vote in Wisconsin.

Gov. Walker will remain in power by a mandate of the people and will continue to battle corruption and the liberal agenda.

I'm so proud of the people of Wisconsin tonight. I'm not a drinking man, but I will definitely have a Miller beer tonight in honor of the victory in Wisconsin and our democratic process!!

GO WISCONSIN!!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...-governorship-wisconsin-recall-010044710.html

 

Had to come over here and listen to the crying. Doesn't look like they're out yet. As I suspected, all the footage of the angry mobs at the statehouse was really just an angry minority. This proves it. My only hope is that they are not out tonight breaking out shop windows or flipping over cars and burning them right now. If they are though, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Really hope people in IL are paying attention to what's happening there. This movement needs to sweep south, badly.

 

Indeed, the anti-Walker crowd certainly ratcheted up the violent rhetoric and I wouldn't put it past them to act out. I hope they can keep their violent tendencies in check, though.

 

Yes.

Walker won but is it really a victory for the American people? The people of Wisconsin?
Or is it really an indication of just how divided this nation is? The fact this recall happened in the first place is a good indication of that.

I'm not crying (sorry to let you down here Vess). I never said that Walker would be put out but, again, I did say that the fact a recall election would even take place said a lot. It still does.

There are some very angry people in this nation. Some are left and some are right. Any idiot can figure that out if they decide to pull their head from the nether region.

Wisconsin is a perfect example. I feel it will spread.
Hell, it is spreading, has been spreading. This will help our nation how?

Actually we should thank Scott Walker. He's opened up a huge can of worms that needs to be addressed.

 

IMO, that would be yes, yes, yes, and yes. It is not an either / or question. They had a panel on Fox the other night. There were several people there who did not believe that the state was actually spending more than they were collecting (with figures straight from the budget). Until we can get people to even agree on the basic facts (anyone believe that the press might have something to do with this?), there will be a great divide between the peoples.

 

There's no doubt about that:

 

And to think there is someone here who believe that the violence only comes from the right.

 

Now, now RLM... let's be fair. As you may be aware, one of our most conservative, right-wing forum members called for burning down the State House in Wisconsin and said that violence in the streets would be justified. Oh, wait.... you're correct. It was a liberal, left-wing forum member who said that. My bad.

 

Sorry Vess, no crying here. Especially considering...

Democrats appeared to have assumed control of the state Senate with results posted early Wednesday showing former Sen. John Lehman (D-Racine) defeating incumbent Van Wanggaard in a tight race.

Walker is now a toothless tiger, well until some Republican magically produces some votes on her laptop to reverse another victory. Beside, the John Doe investigation targeting Walker is just getting started. You know, the one that grew out of his first election. Walker is toast whether it be by a recall or Federal investigation. Even if he isn't taken down, he has no power without the senate. Some victory eh.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/wisconsin-recall-senate-democrats_n_1571801.html

From the article:

If Democrats retake the Senate with Walker remaining in the governor's mansion, the victory may be hollow. The state legislature has adjourned for the year and the Senate cannot return to Madison without the consent of the Republican-controlled Assembly, unless the governor calls them back. Half of the Senate faces voters in November. Democrats have said winning the majority in June can help with momentum for the November race.

 

You'd think BO would see what has happened and at least consider putting his ideology aside for the good of the country. Walker's measures produced exactly the results he said they would & none of the scare tactics put forth by the unions materialized. In one year WI has changed course for the better while BO is in year 4 of his "spend & hope" game plan.

 

It's amazing how you guys can spin any situation to make it look like a win in your favor. Hey, the sky is blue!!

(Will anxiously sit back to hear what color you think it is for the sake of disagreement.)

 

The victory for Scott Walker in Wisconsin may indicate a conservative tide is on the rise in this country that will sweep the liberals from power in November. I think the country is sick and tired of socialist ideals, liberal politics and left-wing propaganda. The resounding, overwhelming defeat experienced by the Democrats and the corrupt unions may be a harbinger of things to come. May Wisconsin be the first stepping stone to a conservative victory in the presidential election. Let me say it again: I'm so proud of the people of Wisconsin!

Governor Walker's Victory Spells Doom For Public Sector Unions

Public sector unions have reached their high water mark. Let the cleanup begin as the red ink recedes.

Despite a last-minute smear campaign accusing Scott Walker of fathering an illegitimate love child, the governor’s recall election victory sends a clear message that should resonate around the nation: The fiscal cancer devouring state budgets has a cure, and he has found it. The costly defeat for the entrenched union interests that tried to oust Walker in retribution for challenging their power was marked by President Obama’s refusal to lend his weight to the campaign for fear of being stained by defeat. We’ll see how well this strategy of opportunistic detachment serves in the fall as Obama reaches out to unions for support.

This fight is not without precedent. Progressive patron saint Franklin Delano Roosevelt—who more than any other president set our country on a course away from the founding principles of limited government—knew that public sector unions would be the death of the social welfare state he worked so hard to create. Hence, he consistently opposed allowing government employees to unionize. Today, Greece sets the example of what happens when public sector unions gain the upper hand.

In 1959 Wisconsin became the first state to allow collective bargaining by government employees. The projected cost of supporting Baby Boomer union retirees now threatens to bankrupt the state, as it does many others. Scott Walker ran for office promising change. The fiscal medicine he is administering may be bitter, but it looks like it is starting to work. The state budget has been balanced. The unemployment rate has been dropping and is now below the national average. Property taxes are down. Fraudulent sick leave policies—which allowed employees to call in sick and then work the next shift for overtime pay—have been ended. The government has stopped forcibly collecting union dues from workers’ paychecks.
Best of all, the myth that union bosses represent their members’ interests has been exposed as a lie. Now that union dues are voluntary, tens of thousands of union members have stopped paying them. Membership in the Wisconsin chapter of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union (AFSCME) has dropped by half. Membership in the state’s American Federation of Teachers (AFT) is down by over a third. Given unions’ influential role in most elections, the national implications of this trend are staggering.

Walker’s message is clear: The key to bringing balance back to public sector labor relations and balance state budgets is to break the iron triangle of closed-shop mandatory unionization, compulsory dues collection, and oversized campaign donations to politicians that promise to do the unions’ bidding. If other governors take his cue and take up the cause, that giant sucking sound you hear will be the air coming out of union bosses’ bloated political action budgets.

The work in Wisconsin is not complete. The controversial law exempted police and firefighters, a political concession to get the legislation passed. Federal courts have zeroed in on this anomaly, striking down certain sections of the law because they do not treat workers equally. This needs to be repaired— by rescinding the exemption for public safety workers. With the recall election behind him, Walker may be sufficiently emboldened to do just that.

The power of private sector unions was long ago broken by many heavily unionized companies going bankrupt. While this was painful for both workers and shareholders, the economy motored on as nimbler non-union competitors picked up the slack. This approach is problematic for the public sector because bankrupt state and local governments cannot be replaced by competitors waiting in the wings. Yes, citizens can always vote with their feet, emptying out cities like Detroit, leaving the blighted wreckage behind. But isn’t Walker’s targeted fiscal retrenchment less painful than scorched-earth abandonment?

Chicago machine candidate Barack Obama rode into office to the tune of Hail to the Chief, promising the unions that backed him the gift of card check elections, ending the secret ballot that shields employees from union intimidation. He may well ride into retirement to the tune of On Wisconsin as the era of closed shop unionism comes to an end.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfre...victory-spells-doom-for-public-sector-unions/

 

We already knew the nation is severely divided. Has been for many years. Just look at the election results anywhere. If somebody gets 50% of the vote, it's considered a landslide nowadays. This presidential election will be no different. This is getting off topic a bit but I can't help but believe that these people who are STILL so committed to Obama and can't wait to run out to vote for him again are so totally out of their minds. They are so totally out of touch, with no expectations of the government to perform as it was initially intended to. They expect no limitations of power from the office of presidency. They all have a sense of "anything goes now and that's great".

As Wilkow always says, people need to realize that once you start accepting govt over-steps that you do like, eventually there will come a point where you have over-steps that you don't like. It's too late then.

A lot of this probably stems back to the fact that half of the country pays absolutely zero in federal taxes. Not only that but receives money back. So we literally have half of the country that COULDN"T CARE LESS HOW MUCH the govt raises taxes on the rest of us. Having no stake in the game, why should they care?! So many middle class people are all gung-ho with them, not realizing that to those paying nothing, YOU and I are the rich people too. Not a single one of them cares about all the changes scheduled to go into affect the end of the this year. Couple all these people with the imbeciles who aren't bright enough to see what has happened under BO and want to vote for him again, and you're going to have people pretty divided!!

Getting back to your original comments... The fact that there was a recall is pathetic. It just means the minority got angry enough (for all the wrong reasons) for one to take place. I'm TOTALLY angry that IL has a governor that only carried 3 counties and won with 46% of the vote. I'm angry about our tax increase from him. I'm angry that he's an anti-gun, cater to Chicago, lying progressive. Can we have a recall!?!?! NO!
We have to wait for the next election. Which WI should have had to do as well. But the liberal cry babies, (most of whom, by the direction of the unions, likely didn't even have a firm grasp on what they were protesting) threw a big enough fit. So they got to waste everybody's time and money to try to throw him out.
Nothing happened that was that egregious to where a recall was warranted. That's the tragedy of it. It wasn't even close. He did nothing to anger the people who originally put him in office. If anything, he probably gained supporters. I'm sure that burns everybody's ass around here.

 

Where exactly is the "spin"? Is Walker the target of a John Doe investigation? YES! Did the Republicans lose control of the Wisconsin Senate? YES! Where exactly is the "spin"? Did Walker win the recall. YES! I'm failing to see any spin here.

 

I can't disagree with even a single word you said. Not one. Well said, Vess especially the part about those who are still committed to Obama. This is one of the best posts I've read here in quite some time.

 

It's funny how you guys can dance around and crow and yet completely ignore the affect of Citizen's United and the 8:1 money advantage Walker enjoyed by being financed by out-state millionaires and billionaires. So average everyday working people lost while millionaires and billionaires won. And this pleases you? Talk about cutting off your own nose to spite your face.

 

You're going to have to post a picture for us of you in your cheerleading dress. I bet it is cute.

Is this you?

 

Who lost what? How did "average, everyday working people" lose? What was the average voter paid from these millionaires and billionaires, to venture out on their own time to *re-vote* for the governor, AGAIN? Most of the time, you can't get people motivated to get out and vote the first time!

The people must be deriving some positive gain from him being in office or he would be gone. Maybe they like not being held hostage by the public employee unions? Which are basically the only people the unions represent anymore anyway.

Did you complain the same way over the billionaires that took B.O. from being an unknown, basically part-time senator, to the presidency? Or was that instance okay? Money played a much larger roll in that than Walker being re-elected. At the local level, the people still have some control. The national level is where the billionaires duke it out and you have so many disconnected, uninformed nitwits voting that it becomes a crap shoot. The people of WI are directly affected by who their governor is. The votes weren't bought. He was already the governor so they already know who he was. Plus, had a track record now.

Lets see... for fun I think I'll check my new sig line to see which parts you're implementing.

 

I'd appreciate a response to post #15 first if you don't mind.