CorpraCons & CorpraCrats

Are corporations the new de facto government in this country? With the entire Republican Party doing the bidding for Corporate America and a large portion of the Democratic Party going right along with them, do average working people really have any representation through their elected officials any longer?

Corporatocracy, in social theories that focus on conflicts and opposing interests within society, denotes a system of government that serves the interest of, and may be run by, corporations and involves ties between government and business. Essentially, corporations, conglomerates, and/or government entities with private components, control the direction and governance of a country, including carrying out economic planning notwithstanding the 'free market' label. ​

Is there any part of this definition that hasn't come to pass in our country yet? If you find that you have to say "no" to this question than you have to conclude that representative democracy is dead in this country.

I guess that this is nothing new or anything that we haven't been warned about in the past but the real question is; Are you OK with this change from the Founding Father's vision of this country? I know that I'm not.

 

I absolutely love reading crying rants composed by democrats. And do tell us what the vision of the founding fathers was!

 

There is none so blind as he who will not see. You are exactly the kind of sheeple that could cost this country its liberty making your opinion irrelevant.

 

Yeah, Lehigh, how dare you poke fun at the "wisdom" of the highy intellectual, self-important dr moen!

(that doesn't sound sarcastic does it?)

 

And yet you both avoid answering a simple question put forth. You know why, because you can't answer intelligently so you resort to sarcasm to avoid real discussion. I really should stop asking intelligent questions of ideologues. They only have one narrative running through their heads and I can always tune into Fox if I want to hear that.

 

Yeah, that's it

 

You haven't proven me wrong yet.

 

OMFG, I thought my response was very clear. No, we are not a Corporatocracy, our government is working exactly the way it was designed to work. Very little ever gets done because Republicans and Democrats fight with each other about ever thing they can. You are just pissed because the world does work according to your radical ideas.

You want politicians to raise taxes on the rich in the face of an economic recovery from the worst recession since the great depression. What you don't understand is that you can't get their money no matter what you do. The rich are the ones who hire other people. If they are forced to pay higher taxes, they will respond by further reducing labor costs in order to preserve their own income levels. You seem to think that the recession is a thing of the past simply because the economy has flattened out. But we have not seen significant economic growth including labor levels. If you want more tax dollars, the only solution is to generate economic growth. Simply taking from the rich is a plan that is doomed from the start, especially considering that every politician is personally affected by that plan.

I think we should have a social program that provides free tissues to cry babies like you! BTW, we are still waiting for our lecture on the vision of the founding fathers.

 

You thought this response...

Answered this question...

Is there any part of this definition that hasn't come to pass in our country yet? If you find that you have to say "no" to this question than you have to conclude that representative democracy is dead in this country.

Company boy all the way.

 

Yes, it is called reading between the lines. When someone makes fun of your point, it almost always means that they disagree with it so vehemently that they don't even feel the need to respond to it.

I notice that you don't dispute what I wrote. If you really have worked in the private sector, then you should know that you are not going to get the money from the rich no matter what you do. They didn't get rich by allowing others to take their money. If you raise taxes, they will cut costs (including labor costs) to protect their income. That is not an ideological belief, it is a fact. The only way to raise taxes is to wait for economic growth. Once the rich make more, you can get away with taking more. Until that happens, raising taxes will cost the MIDDLE CLASS more jobs.

It doesn't matter if YOU think it is fair, that is how it works. If you really believe the crap you spew, then stop crying about it, get on a ballot, win an election, and do something about it. Still waiting on the lecture about the vision of the founding fathers.

 

How about if I don't read between the lines and you just answer a simple question straight forwardly for a change? I think you are confusing making fun of a pretty straight forward question with a complete and total dodge. Pretending to be so above the question that you can only make fun of it makes you look snobbish. That's all, just an ignorant snob that has to dodge a question rather than try to respond in a civil manner.

We simply have to return to the corporate tax rates we had before Reagan and this country would be fine. There is a finite amount of money and it has pooled at the top making everyone on the bottom just that much poorer. We used to tax salaries over a certain amount at 92% so it made no sense for anyone to be paid 700 million a year to be CEO of a company and all that money went back into the business. Now we have business head making more money annually than many small countries. It's not that we have a money shortage in this country, we have a redistribution of wealth from the many to the few. How can Americans even purchase the products they manufacture if there is no middle class? You really can't see the logical conclusion to this trend can you? Thank goodness that your short-sightedness doesn't blind the rest of us.

As far a jobs go, I agree that at least initially there could be some large companies that shed workers if they had to actualy pay taxes but the money that would flood back into the middle class in the form of small business loans, innovation, and the dismantling of monopolies, would more than make up for any initial job losses. The big guys are simply shipping jobs overseas right now anyway. Tax the hell out of them as they are walking out the door. Who needs them!

 

Why is it okay for you to make comments that require others to read between the lines with ultimate condescension when asked to explain, but considered a dodge when others do the same? Part of your hypocritical nature I guess. Are you claiming that you did not know that my initial response meant I disagreed with you?

How many times do I have to explain to you? You are not going to get the money from the rich via increased taxes. Any raise in taxes will result in cost cutting to offset the increased taxes. So your solution is to say FU to the private sector completely, take their money via taxes, and use that money to increase the size of government thereby shifting the jobs from the private sector to the public sector. That sounds like socialism to me. But it shouldn't really surprise anyone that you have a socialist agenda, that is what you are!

You would love for people to believe that the middle class in America has disappeared and that we are now a country of the super rich and those in poverty. And that would be correct as long as your definition of poverty is people on food stamps driving late model Hyundai Sante Fe's. I see very little poverty in this country at all. To me, poverty means that you have trouble even finding the necessities to sustain life (eg food & shelter). So tell me, if so many people in the United States are in poverty, why are we the most obese society in the entire world?

 

When there are 400 individuals in this country whose combined wealth is equal to the bottom 50% of the country, yeah, I'd have to say that the middle class is going under. Every single economic indicator says exactly that! This isn't a disputed issue by any economist, it is a simple fact. The fact that you don't even know this much means that you obviously don't even have a basic knowledge of the subject which is why your comments are so out there. Just stop pretending you can speak to issues that you lack the knowledge to address.

 

Pure propaganda, plain and simple.

So what number of individuals in this country comprised the combined wealth equal to the bottom 50% of the country 100 years ago. That statistic is completely meaningless unless compared over time. But based on a meaningless statistic, YOU (in your infinite wisdom) have declared that the middle class is dead!

Every single economic indicator? Okay, list them, and then explain why they mean the middle class has disappeared. Furthermore, you claim that every economist in the world agrees on this subject. The premise that every economist agrees about anything is completely ridiculous. You only know what you have read and decide to ignore what you see with your own eyes everyday. I believe I have asked you to do this exercise before, and you refused. List your 10 closest friends and label them by class, rich, poor, or middle class. Wanna see my list?

Friend #1: Middle Class
Friend #2: Middle Class
Friend #3: Middle Class
Friend #4: Middle Class
Friend #5: Middle Class
Friend #6: Middle Class
Friend #7: Middle Class
Friend #8: Middle Class
Friend #9: Middle Class
Friend #10: Middle Class

But you would rather just go searching the internet for articles that support your pre-existing conclusion that the middle class is extinct. You ignore personal life experiences because they don't support your claim and instead rely on left wing media propaganda. You would like the members of this forum to believe that you are the most educated and intelligent member here and that your intellectually superior to everyone else and have even gone so far as to state this publicly in one of your forum posts. However, you refuse to list any of your credentials, including your education level and occupational history. In reality, you are a clown of the highest order and nothing more than an internet plagiarist who has never had an original thought of your own and simply exists to spread left wing propaganda.

BTW, I am a little worried about you completing my proposed exercise. It is entirely possible that fellow circus employees would be considered poor!

 

There are countless empirical studies over the last couple of decades that all agree that the middle class is disappearing in this country. You wouldn't understand most of them because they are empirical studies after all but here is a link to 22 statistics that prove the middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence in America. You'll find that propaganda doesn't usually contain verifiable statistics. You should really learn the difference. Your anecdotal friend sampling isn't any more reliable of an economic indicator than a person in a ghetto looking at his neighbors and thinking that everyone lives in poverty or a person living in a multimillion dollar gated community thinking everyone is doing just fine. You are just so damn naive that you don't even know how naive you are.

22 Statistics That Prove The Middle Class Is Being Systematically Wiped Out Of Existence In America

Here is an idea. You search the internet as you say I do and come up with anything that has statistical proof that the middle class is either stable or growing. If you can't do it you should really admit that you have been raised on the Right wing propaganda teet and are fat with misinformation.

 

I find these 2 most intriguing considering your stance on the Wisconsin finances.

 

Your link should be entitled 22 Statistics that prove why Moen is a LANGUAGE . My favorite one shows a photo of Chris Ferguson after he won the World Series of Poker. Again, you are too scared to tell us about your ten closest friends. Why? Because it is anecdotal, NO! It is because each and every one of your friends is middle class, just like me, just like all of my friends, just like almost every person in my city. And if you really don't think that your precious statistics are propaganda, then stick around and discuss each one instead of posting someone else's **** and running like you always do you AGAIN LANGUAGEI don't need to search the internet, your link is all the ammunition I need. Pick one clown and you will find out.

 

All you are proving here is what an angry stupid animal does when it is cornered. I'll sit back wait for you to post any data you can find that shows either the middle class is stable or growing. Again, too naive to even know how naive you are. How sad for you. Now stop dodging and show me your proof.

 

What a coward you are! I challenge you to defend something that you posted, but instead you run away like a little girl. Did you wet your pants first little Moen? Did the big bad bully of the forum remind you of your formative years as the weakling as the piss ran down your leg. As you run, you scream "I know you are, but what am I." No dodging here clown. I am the one standing here waiting for you to summon the courage to show up. You posted your 22 statistics, that is my proof. Each and every one of the stats you posted are left wing propaganda sound bites, nothing more.

Come back and defend your precious little stats. Just remember to change your pants first little baby.

 

You ARE really bad at this. I don't have to defend my proof, you have to refute it. I'm still here waiting for you to offer something other than angry name calling, bravado, hubris, and schoolyard insults but you can't seem to rise above the infantile rhetoric and actually refute the stats I posted with any of your own. What a surprise! Nothing but angry opinions out of you. Why did you bother coming back if this is all you have?

Come on, you must be able to show us something that proves the middle class is growing other than offering your drinking buddies as proof of your opinions. Come on, man up a little or go back to the bottle.