Contraception Coverage Mandate

Don't believe in birth-control? Fine, don't use it. A lot of people do believe it's important though, and want it covered by their insurance.

Republicans would be better off not fighting it and consider it a 'win', as less Democrats will be born because of it.

 

Hmmmmm, now that's a novel thought. Also, for those democrat/socialists where a pregnancy might interfere with their Occupy protests, how about paying for an abortion up to, oh let's say, the very moment of birth? Nah! We need a steady stream of democrats to make fun of.

I WILL agree with paying for an abortion for the women who are raped at the Occupy camps, however. Or, for that matter, any woman who is the victim of rape.

 

Contraception usually means the sperm never fertilizes the egg. What you are talking about is abortion.

Your pov appears to be that the Occupiers are rapists. I'm going to guess and say you read that rapes have occured in the camps during these protests.

My pov is that rapes occur whenever cowards are present. The cowards I refer to generally have more physical and psychological power over their victims. The police qualify in that respect, and have committed rapes. Politicians also qualify, and have also committed rapes. So do most males (and some females)... they too commit rapes.

So, are all police, are all politicians, all males, and all females cowards? Are they all rapists? If all the Occupiers are cowards, because of the rapist acts of a few, then so is everyone who has ever lived.

 

I don't know where your twisted logic originates and I'm not even going to try to guess. But, to answer your question, I have no problem paying for abortions for the victims of rape be they perpetrated by politicians, police officers, Occupy flea baggers, etc.

Now, if a person decides to commit rape, I would hope that he or she would use contraceptives, but as you've stated the act of rape is generally a "physical" or "psychological" assault against the victim. You're correct, most rapes are not "sexual" in nature so the perpetrator usually doesn't consider the consequences of the biological act (although this is not, necessarily, always true). But, the fact remains that human beings will be conceived via the act of rape whether it happens to be committed by a police officer, politician, Occupy flea bagger, etc. The woman was already victimized once by being raped, she shouldn't be victimized twice by having to bear the child, too.

 

The topic was about Republicans, and religion, against the use of contraceptives. My comment was that if you don't like birth-control, don't use it... that while you may be personally against using birth-control, demanding that insurance NOT cover it is wrong for the people who do use it. I was on topic until your comment about abortion and the Occupiers being rapists.

Fine. You want to talk about rape and abortions? Go ahead. I have no problem with that. Considering that neither of us most likely never had any real experience in the matter it should prove interesting to someone who has. I'm sure they would find it facinating how much insight either of us has on the subjects.

As for contraception, and the threads point that religion is usually against the use of it, I'm in favor of it being included on insurance, and so should people against rape and abortions.

Now, you may wish to point out that rapists don't usually use contraception... go ahead... be that person... I'll wait.............

................Done? No? Too bad, 'cause I'm done waiting.

Contraceptives are used to lessen the chance that a pregnancy will occur. The less pregnancies there are, especially in the poorer segments of our society, the less abortions there are. So, contraceptives help prevent some abortions.

If you are against rape and abortions, you should be for contraceptives.

 

Now I'll go off-topic: With the post above I replaced (tied actually) Midas as 12th highest contributer. Thought I'd mention it so you all can "pay your respects" ...so to speak.

OldDan is next.

 

Truthfully, I'm not against contraceptives. In fact (unlike Communist China), I believe in the old saying, "Be fruitful and multiply". If people want to have babies, go right ahead! But, if people just want to go through the motions, why in the world should I pay for their contraceptives?

 

I'm baking a cake for you. Sit there and be still until it's ready...

 

Why do you keep saying that YOU are paying for it? In what way are YOU paying for anything? I know that you think a lot of yourself but really, tone the ego down a bit.

 

I thought that you once said you took economics?

 

Oh. I thought citizens paid into Obamacare and the last time I checked I am, indeed, a citizen and a taxpayer, too. If folks are buying all their own contraceptives and aren't needing any of my money to purchase them then please disregard.

 

Last time I checked, insurance companies were still providing ALL the insurance. I can't even think of any minor exceptions in the PPACA where the government is providing the insurance. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act does not insure people. You're buying into your own lies. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd refuse to buy health coverage from a private insurer so that you wouldn't "share the cost" of providing birth control. Sucks to be you I guess.

 

For someone supposedly aware (at least supposedly your wife works for/with them) of the medical insurance industry, you are sure missing a lot.

First, most employees are covered by self insured companies. When these companies have to pay more for contraception, they raise the costs of their products. CoinOKC, you and I are then paying more. Even if they are not self insured, when the insurance companies pay more for the contraception, they also raise their costs. CoinOKC, you and I are then paying more. Oh! And when Obamacare kicks in and people become government insured, just who do you think is paying for that? do you really think China is donating their moneys to us?

 

Shows exactly how much you know, which of course is very little. Contraception actually saves insurance companies money. Child birth and it's many complications are far, far more expensive than a handful of pills. Google this yourself and actually learn something. Again, there is no government insurance. Stop believing your own lies. Hey, who is paying for your wheel chair?

 

I won't debate your costs of contraception. Just suffice it to say there is a lot more involved you first blush.

However, are you telling me that the government insurance that I just applied for does not not exist? If you are trying to say they do not run it, well, maybe. However, if they are not paying for it, pray tell what is happening to the 23% of our federal budget - or whatever the government is operating under today since the Dems have not bothered to pass a budget in 1,000+ days.

 

Of course there is Medicare, Medicade, the VA BUT the way both you and Okie have framed this is that the PPACA is somehow providing some government insurance. THAT is a blatant Right-wing lie. And don't change the subject.

 

Change the subject? I said;

Your reply;

OOP! When I (and your own post) prove you wrong, you say;

Now that I have shown your lies, please explain just how we are not paying for abortion/contraception - the topic at hand before you tried to change it.

 

Your inability to follow a conversation is why I ignore you most of the time. When will I finally learn to completely ignore you? Probably right now.

 

Hello? The cost comes from somewhere. Where do you think it comes from?

This is from website: http://cfagroup.com/article.php?table=article&mode=search&article=5

Health Insurance plans must cover birth control as preventive care for women without cost sharing.

The Department of HHS announced yesterday that Health Insurance plans must cover birth control as preventive care for women without cost sharing. This requirement is part of the PPACA legislation passed March 23, 2010. The guidelines that were announced would provide coverage for women’s preventive care under the health care law. These coverage guidelines are in effect as of August 1, 2011, although compliance is not required until the renewal date of the plan following August 1, 2012. These guidelines apply to all non-grandfathered plans. I have listed 2 links that provide more detail regarding this legislation. The first one is the link to HealthCare.gov and the next to NAHU.org. Please note, these enhancements to plans do not come without cost. The cost will most likely be spread among those with insurance and will have an impact on cost of coverage. The hope is that this cost could potentially be offset by the savings that could result from prevented diseases, pregnancies or adverse impact to a mother and baby, although we have no statistics projecting anticipated savings at this time.

http://www.healthcare.gov/center/regulations/womensprevention.html

http://newsmanager.commpartners.com/nahuw/issues/2011-08-01/2.html

I'm not too enthusiastic about the words, "most likely", "hope is" and "no statistics". These mean one thing: All of us will be paying for this...

 

So you admit you lied when you said?

and?

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