Conservative vs Liberal

Well, he is trying to position himself to become an Eco-Billionaire so that kind of makes sense when you know his business interests.

 

And back on the Global warming theory....

How many Hummers and SUV's are on Mars and the other planets? They seem to be suffering as well. Better shut them Martian factories down before they polute space.

I got it !!! Lets tax the volcanoes !!!! Mt St Helens did more carbon damage in 3 days than man has done since he exsisted !

 

Maybe we can save Mars by having them buy Carbon Credits from us. As an added benefit, we get another bogus stock market bit to trade back and and forth and eventually bundle into carbon backed securities until the sector crashes when people realize they are buying and selling bits of nothing.

 

LOL
Al Gore and John Edwards can be CEO's of the 2 competing carbon credit companys. You know, Spacely Sprockets vs Cosworth Cogs !!

 

I have to get off this forum. The amount of koolaide is freakin me out. The reptile has a bit extra in his tho, prolly Arkansas moonshine, other one has Capone's Chicago Clear..........but he must share with the other wackjob kook lunatic.

 

Correct about what?

Ribbit

 

Are you also aware that it also had the exact opposite effect? It shielded the earth from the sun and cooled us down. Duh! Monserrat did too!

Ribbit

 

You should also study up on your science Jack! Seems you aren't aware of the affects of volcanic eruptions. Maybe they didn't teach science when you went to school?

Ribbit

 

I don;t think volcanoes don't put out that much carbon dioxide compared to man's activities but Mt St Helens in the past has been Washington's biggest polluter during active times. It has pumped out twice as much sulfur dioxide (think acid rain and smog) as industry in the state during those periods.

 

Try reading up on them. From Wiki;

From what I have been able to determine, they (other than man) account for over 90% of the CO2 emitted.

 

I don't doubt they are probably the biggest producer of CO2 outside of man's activities. But compared to man, it is not that much.

While volcanoes may have raised pre-historic CO2 levels and temperatures, according to the USGS Volcano Hazards Program, human activities now emit 130 times as much CO2 as volcanoes (whose emissions are relatively modest compared to some earlier times).

http://epa.gov/climatechange/science/pastcc.html

Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons)

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php

 

The methane gas emitting from toads mouth & mind must account for a substantial amount too!!

 

But CO2 isn't all that is expelled, so try a different source (I believe someone here busted me for using Wiki before). Here's a better source:

http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/gas.htm

It explains how other gases that are released, help to reverse global warming!

Ribbit

 

Wasn't me!

It was Stu!

Ribbit

 

Pull my finger.

 

In 1992, this is what was said:

Volcanoes contribute about 110 million tons of carbon dioxide per year while man's activities contribute about 10 billion tons per year.


So in 16 years, we have increased by a factor of 3. That ain't good!

Ribbit

 

The Oceans absorb huge amounts of CO2 every year. So it doesn't build up forever and not go away. It breaks down. But the side effect to the ocean is that CO2 in water drives pH down. This inhibits the ability of coral's to utilize calcium from the water column to build new structure and grow. Eventually growth stops. If the pH continues to decline, their calcium structures will dissolve back into the water. The reefs are then gone. There is no more protection for shore lines. The life is gone. It is very sad and it's happening in our lifetimes.

The average pH of the oceans right now is around 8.1. Once it drops to around 7.7 or less, hard corals will be all but gone. The reefs won't just be struggling from warmer water which causes bleaching. pH could end up being the one two punch that takes them out. It is a sad thing to see, but soft corals should still survive. This has been evolving and happening forever though.
I don't want to see it happen but I don't know how we can expect to control mother nature and put a cap on all these volcanoes. We can't control what the Chinese do who are limitless in their ability to pollute. Most parents can't even get their kid to stay home instead of burning gas driving around town for nothing.
Some things are as good as gone and you can't expect people to do anything about it. Eliminating the airline industry would save a lot of pollution. But that would entail losing that convenience, everybody in every aspect of the industry getting laid off, etc..

For our own prosperity, the planet is going to suffer some. There is nothing we can do about it. Now, as to what scale people think we are doing this, that is up for debate. I don't believe people can compare with the natural processes going on that we have no control over.

 

But how do they calculate that? What/how high could the factor of error possibly be? How do you calculate what's counteracting the CO2? Living things expel CO2. How much comes just from this? How much do trees and plants use? There's just so many factors.

 

The big question I have is, if all conditions were perfect, could we expect the planet's climate to remain constant forever? We know we've had ice ages before, long before modern technology could have any impact. Tropical areas froze. Then went back to normal. Long before we had any impact.

I guess the point is, things are constantly changing over expanses of time. In modern times, if we have global cooling or an ice age, we're screwed. Long term global warming, we're screwed. A large astroid impact we're screwed. Deadly disease outbreak or nuclear war we're screwed....and on and on.....

I just try to enjoy what we've have, what we've got now and the future is unknown. To be quite honest, lets face it, the long term outlook for enormous human populations is pretty bleak.

 

Are blood donors required to stae thier politics before the drawing begins?