Cap and trade and the destruction of the Republican party

This clean energy bill (which I happen to think is a great idea though I have not read through it) is taking a huge toll on the Republican party. There just are not many Republicans in the House of representatives so you would think that the party would not try to reduce that number, but apparently they are determined to cast aside those who were not lock step on cap and trade:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/30/gop-poised-to-eat-its-own_n_223164.html
Last night I heard a local radio talk guy (former Republican congressman J.D Hayworth who lost his seat to a Dem even though he was running in one of the most conservative districts in America) castigating GOP earmark hero Jeff Flake for missing the cap and trade vote. A caller called in and said that he missed the births of his 2 children because of his service in Iraq and yet Flake missed his service (his vote) because his daughter was in a beauty contest:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/141107

To add to this the Democrats can use a procedure called "reconciliation" to prevent a republican filibuster in the senate meaning that the Dems need only 50 of their 60 votes in the senate to pass this thing (and it is likely that some liberal Republican senators will vote with the Dems thus causing further division in that already damaged republican party).

This is great!

 

Flake is also pro amnesty and against the border fence. Flake represents Flake and not his constituents, that much is apparent. Flake is nothing but a Dirtbag Johnny junior, a true pain in the side of the repos like his loser mentors John Kyl and McStain.

Harry Mitchell waltzed in on the repo overthrow coatails.

Speaking of KFYI, Hayworth is a hero and a true American, and yes, I agree he bloviates way too much Broomhead is a welcome change from the anger monger Jacobs, dont you agree?

Dan, read that bill. None of those who voted for it did. Are you SURE you want that to pass the senate? Don't buy the hype Dan, READ the bill yourself then decide.

Partys aside. Make sure you know what you are asking for.

 

Jacobs was real bad news, I was glad to hear him go.
As for JD I listen to him for a laugh, as i recall he was booted because he took dirty money from Jack Abramoff. I can't read a 1000 page bill (I do have a life after all) but the cap and trade idea should work to bring about some workable alt fuels (like solar , which will benefit AZ).
Anyway the hate directed toward Flake was brutal on JD's show the other day (scary). Flake may lose his seat over this.

 

There are many great ideas in the bill. Making this a greener country would be a great thing and a real accomplishment.

What you have not read.....I am slowly reading it, are the restrictions and regulations that are killers. Plan on selling your home soon? Plan on opening a business soon ( hiring people) ?

Read the exemptions as well, they will suprise you. Unions and donors.

Anyways, I cannot really comment. But I can say this, I would NEVER sign a contract with out reading it, let alone vote on a bill of this largese without reading it.

 

I just heard about a great provision of the energy bill. They are offering an "X-Prize" http://www.xprize.org/ type of incentive to the first person/company that comes up with a car that gets 70 mpg and cost the same as today's cars. The X prizes have been great for innovation, they created cars that can drive themselves (self navigation). The more I hear about this bill the more I like it!

 

great government inspired inventions I can think of are

Landing on the moon
The internet ( US Military, NOT Al Gore )
The Manhattan Project

Not all carrot and stick things go bad, some go great.

Do you think that private industry is not already attempting this car thing you mention?

Read more of the bill and decide if you personally want to finance this.

I can no more comment because I have not finished the bill yet, all of it is not even posted on the net. Especially the 300 of pages earmarks dumped in at 3:00 am the day of the vote.

It is good that everybody that voted yes on this has a full working knowledge of the bill and it's costs to the american taxpayer.

 

The Manhattan Project, really? A great idea. I agree, a great idea. But one that should have never come to fruiton. Look now at all the countries that have these weapons. Allies and enemies.

 

You can thank the Manhattan Project for your ability to type that comment in English (AND your freedom to type it )

 

The military invented the "Arpanet" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

Gore invented the "internet"
http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

 

It was an idea that 'inevitably' came to fruition whether we got it or not. We all know human nature. Can anyone honestly say that with todays technology, nobody in the world would ever try to harness that power into a weapon?

It's a good thing it came to us first. Germany was developing jet powered wing aircraft in 1945 known as the 600 mph, H229 (unbelievably similar to the modern day B2) with the much larger H18 on it's heels. Both intended to reduce the affectiveness of allied radar.
Gehoring said they would have a nuclear bomb by the end of 1946 and the H18 was what was going to drop it on NYC. We may have still won the war but we're lucky we can still walk on New York soil yet today.

 

Have a read LOL

http://www.startribune.com/local/east/49208077.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUdcOy_nc:DKUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

 

Cap and Trade

This will ultimately turn out to be a volumus tax.
Another large bureaucracy addition to what is in the current spending bills.
Who will it hurt , people who have to stay home ! The retired, diabled , and those with long term illness. They will pay.
Who makes the money, the fuel delivery companies.
What will this do for a recession, make it an offical depression.
In the greater S.F. Bay area, ships bringing in fuel stock from foreign sources produce more pollution then all the vehicles on the freeways. I do not currently have the pollution from S.F. International Airport, or Oakland International Airport.
I starts to make sense who is the problem.
Evolution will have to do what it does, but oil needs to come from offshore until we have a real number of new fuel products and some new grid infrastructure.
Trying to push a rope still gets the same results.

Pep

 

You are parroting the republican line which (as usual) is wrong. This will bring down energy costs in that it will create new innovations. The energy companies have had their foot on the neck of the entrepreneur long enough, this should break their strangle hold and ensure our national security. How (you say) will this help national security? I will tell you: When you localize energy production (for instance with rooftop solar) you remove high value targets (like nuke plants) from our potential enemies cross hairs. I do not expect you to agree with me though because I am dealing with paradigms that you may not be familiar with.

 

The energy companies ( OIL ) are into all types of alternative energy. They have made it known they want the delivery and have new future types of energy in their portfolios. Who has more money then the oil companies ? Utilizing a bridge approach you get what you need and pick the best of the of new types of technology.
I am independent and do not vote or follow any party. They are both way off base. Right now you have to many people who do not understand the old VHS BETA argument.
I worked in the R&D sector that provided emmission equipment to testers in the oil industry and govemental agencies.
What works best will not be what you might end up with. That is where politics and and "K St. " see what gets sold, and how deep and reoccuring are the profit margins. Big margins , more tax revenue.
Alternative vehicles are great, and only the pure electric are the real hard nuts to crack. Storage batteries for vehicles are not evolved enough to to be able to replace a large secttor of vehicles.
The grid is a mess and it in and of itself is the storage for power.
Term storage for electrical power has eluded those who have an interest in being able to devolp technology that would make it so.
Evolutionary moves up the scale will win in the long run. There is not such thing as quantum leaps in the power business or any business. Only new ideas to blend with older technology will make the grade.
We spend time and money on a segment that is not the largest problem, but one that can be transfered up the line to ships and aircraft as well as land based vehicles and a new type of grid.
Our government has made a sham out of dealing with private industry. That is why the companies left with resources and people will not get in bed with them if at all possible.
Being Americans we have a better chance at problem solving. Belonging to groups who see to dislike each other is counter productive.
Solutions always come from the private sector. The goverment would like to think they know all, but they always go to the private sector to get the technology they require.

Pep

 

watch this to get a feel for what is coming down the pipeline:

Watch this to get an idea of who is foolishly trying to stop the inevitable:

 

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The goverment would like to think they know all, but they always go to the private sector to get the technology they require.

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The government (specifically Al Gore) invented the internet.

 

Al Gore

He invented global warming. He is making a bundle if cap and trade gets through.
He already is into the business of political band standing.
He did not invent the internet , you did would make more sense.

Pep

 

http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

He recognized the potential of the Arpanet and pushed through legislation to make it public, therefore he did invent the internet.

 

Lawrence Roberts invented computer to computer networking.
ARPAN net was the putting together the project to make it viable.
Congress helped it along.
Gore really never took credit for inventing the internet. He was around when it went public.

 

The ARPANET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET is different than the internet, the internet is for public use.

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But the real question is what, if anything, did Gore actually do to create the modern Internet? According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."


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The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

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Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"


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