Can anyone actually tell me just when Nixon was forgiven?

It must have been in the early nineties. I'm not sure what he did, but somehow somewhere Watergate seemed to have been forgotten.

This is in reference to it being important to put RMN on a presidential coin. Yes he was a president, but seems to me Pete Rose was a baseball player too.. and he's not getting into the Hall of Fame either

 

On September 8, 1974 - A blanket pardon from President Gerald R. Ford, who served as Nixon's second vice president, effectively ended any possibility of indictment.

 

True True True...

but it was kind of like OJ Simpson being aquitted. He went 10 or 15 years into hiding then in late 80's he seemed like he was embraced by the country again.. flirting with dignitaries, going to state functions.. etc..

 

Nixon was a smuck but Watergate was nothing compared to Contragate, The Whitewater Scandal, The money for technology scandal with China and Clinton,The oil for food scandal, etc...Lets face it, if he was a good looking democrat or a very rich republican or even spoke with a european accent-then would have filled his second term with no problem.

 

come on man, you aren't really comparing some gold colored coins and Baseballs Hall of Fame, are you? After all, where are your prioritys?

 

True... but on the bizarre side of this tangent...

President Richard Nixon was actually offered the job of Major League Baseball Commissioner once after his presidency. He declined.

Quotations From Richard Nixon

"I don't know a lot about politics, but I do know a lot about baseball."

"I like the job I have now, but if I had my life to live over again, I'd like to have ended up a sports writer."

"I never leave a game before the last pitch, because in baseball, as in life and especially politics, you never know what will happen."

 

Of all the American Presidential scandals of the 20th Century, publicized or ignored, I think the worst was the Clinton-DNC Chinese contribution-technology-exchange scandal. Al Gore's mishandling of the emergence of financial aid to Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union was a close second. I believe that Nixon's many sins were eclipsed repeatedly in the years subsequent to Watergate.

 

You forgot Iran Contra, (we are just starting to feel the fall out from that one).

 

I think that by the late 1980's and early 1990's he had been out of the spotlight for a while and the American public is generally forgiving(think Clinton and his quick rehabilitation to favour) In some conservative ranks Tricky was regarded as an elder statesman by then, kind of like how Jerry Ford is regarded now.

Read up sometime on Nixons shenanigans in the 1948 California Gubenatorial election, and you will have seen the roots of the issue with him.

 

Danr, It was mentioned because drugs got involved and they were never supposed to. You think that the Iran Contra thing somehow made Iran strong or Iraq strong or something. What you do not grasp is the whole purpose was to have those two nations bleed each other out. That was our policy. Two Giants of the region who hate us are fighting, why not supply both with low tech, low grade weapons so they could continue fighting each other and therefore at the least weaken each other and at best hope that the most radical die off and a new power base rises. Now what is wrong with that?

 

Andy, the scary part of the Republican party (the Reagan zone) put the wacko religous nuts in power in the Middle East!! In the process they introduced crack cocaine into American cities (that is Iran contra). By their own admission they ran a shadow government to circumvent congress!! The Iraq Iran conflict, though very bloody, was only a useful side show in that it gave these dirtbags the opportunity to sell weapons to both sides.

 

Pete rose was mentioned, I really wish he would get into the hall of fame. He didn't do anything wrong, by betting on himself. Boxers are allowed to do it......

 

Did you ever hear of Carter getting rid of the Shah and bringing in the people who rule Iran today.
Did you know that Carter and Clinton recognized the PLO as working partners and funded them as well as invited them into the Whitehouse.
Did you know that it is both major political parties in this nation that have protected and supported the Saudi's.

Did you know that it was the leftist media in the USA that pushed Cocaine in this country as being a rich man's dry cocktail. That articles in Time magazine and the New York Times stated that Cocaine was non-addictive and safer then pot before Reagan was president and that cocaine and crack were already becoming a problem in cities like New York. Back then crack was called freebasing. Never mind all of the movies put out by Leftywood showing postivive messages with the hero's taking snorts before games, meetings, at partys, sex...etc. with no side effects in the late 1970's

Danr you are blinded with leftist proganda on this issue.

 

Have I told you how much I appreciate the "Ignore" function on this board?

 

"The Iranian Revolution was the 1979 revolution that transformed Iran from an autocratic, pro-western monarchy, under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, to an Islamic, populist theocratic republic under the rule of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. The revolution has been divided into two stages: the first stage saw an alliance of liberal, leftist, and religious groups oust the Shah; the second stage, often named the Islamic Revolution, saw the ayatollah's rise to power."
(That is from Wikipedia)
The first stage (the liberal part) was Carter, the second part is the scary side of the Republican party's part.
BTW liberal in this context does not mean what modern America has ascribed it to mean.

 

I don't know, maybe after people experienced the presidency of Carter, and realized a little dishonesty still beats a lot of incompetence, lol.

Besides... the presidential coin series isn't a Hall of Fame... ALL presidents will be depicted, not just ones believed by some to have accomplished something great in the office. Anybody who sat in the president's chair qualifies, even if they had no clue what they were doing, let a corrupt cabinet run the country while they cluelessy ignored what was going on, spent the entire presidency in bed, dying of penumonia... or doing so little either positive or negative that even most trivia buffs have trouble remembering their names. My name's in the phone book... it's not recognizing me for any greater accomplishment than just happening to live in the area the phone book covers. That's a better analogy to the presidential dollars than the Baseball Hall of Fame.

 

What makes you feel that there was an alliance first of all and it was Carter who told the Shah he had to leave and pulled support from.
Do you also think that when Hitler signed a peace treaty with Stalin in dividing Poland that he had no plans to invade Russia?
This is the danger of the "idealistic" followers of the left, they think that writing letters and signing peace treaties means something to evil.
and you did not respond to both major political parties supporting Saudia Arabia. The only American President that wanted to change that policy was Nixon. Look it up, he said it before the Watergate thing exploded and it makes one wonder why such a small thing was blown out of porportion.
The Watergate Tapes themselves show that Nixon and his inner circle knew nothing about it and investigated it themselves.

 

Carter envisioned a better alternative than the Shah, he was thwarted in this (as he was in almost all of his effeorts) by the scary side of the Rep party. As for Saudi I have not heard of the Nixon thing (that is a pretty obscure reference) but it may be true. I am not a fan of Saudi, but trust me, Pakistan is worse. I have personally known the "I hate America" type and they are from Pakistan.

 

All of this comes down to one thing, several of our presidents and their officials have sold us out, and they should all be killed using the treatment set forth in another thread about tookie williams. That would teach President Bush to watch his step!!!

CraigG

 

I officially distance myself from that remark.