On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >Tim Weaver wrote: >> mimus wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>> >>>>"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>PERV. >>>>> >>>>><sniff> >>>>> >>>>>I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>> >>>>Well you DID ask. >>>> >>>>Smee >>> >>>Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed >>>out, is all I can say. >>> >>>Brrr. >> >> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into >> full motion when warmed up again? > >Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that >survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. carp, for instance. frozen solid. -- dave hillstrom xrbj
david hillstrom wrote: > On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts > <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: > >>Tim Weaver wrote: >> >>>mimus wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>> >>>>>"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>PERV. >>>>>> >>>>>><sniff> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>> >>>>>Well you DID ask. >>>>> >>>>>Smee >>>> >>>>Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed >>>>out, is all I can say. >>>> >>>>Brrr. >>> >>>Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into >>>full motion when warmed up again? >> >>Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that >>survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. > > carp, for instance. frozen solid. > Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice crystals from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know if generic carp are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish (which are carp) surviving the winter in a shallow pond that almost certainly froze to the bottom. Did you ever see frozen carp? -- nuts
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >david hillstrom wrote: >> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >> >>>Tim Weaver wrote: >>> >>>>mimus wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>PERV. >>>>>>> >>>>>>><sniff> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>> >>>>>>Well you DID ask. >>>>>> >>>>>>Smee >>>>> >>>>>Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed >>>>>out, is all I can say. >>>>> >>>>>Brrr. >>>> >>>>Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into >>>>full motion when warmed up again? >>> >>>Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that >>>survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >> >> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >> >Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice crystals >from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know if generic carp >are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish (which are carp) >surviving the winter in a shallow pond that almost certainly froze to >the bottom. > >Did you ever see frozen carp? not personally. but tales from others say they have. -- dave hillstrom xrbj
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts > <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: > >> david hillstrom wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>> >>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >>>> >>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> PERV. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <sniff> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Smee >>>>>> >>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed >>>>>> out, is all I can say. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brrr. >>>>> >>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into >>>>> full motion when warmed up again? >>>> >>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that >>>> survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >>> >>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >> >> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice crystals >> from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know if generic carp >> are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish (which are carp) >> surviving the winter in a shallow pond that almost certainly froze to >> the bottom. >> >> Did you ever see frozen carp? > > not personally. but tales from others say they have. Did they see them thaw out and swim off? -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 It's Spring, and with any luck the carbon dioxide will thaw. < Pratchett
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >> >>> david hillstrom wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PERV. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <sniff> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Smee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed >>>>>>> out, is all I can say. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brrr. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into >>>>>> full motion when warmed up again? >>>>> >>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that >>>>> survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >>>> >>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >>> >>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice crystals >>> from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know if generic carp >>> are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish (which are carp) >>> surviving the winter in a shallow pond that almost certainly froze to >>> the bottom. >>> >>> Did you ever see frozen carp? >> >> not personally. but tales from others say they have. > >Did they see them thaw out and swim off? they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for one. -- dave hillstrom xrbj
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>> >>>> david hillstrom wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> PERV. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <sniff> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Smee >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed >>>>>>>> out, is all I can say. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brrr. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into >>>>>>> full motion when warmed up again? >>>>>> >>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that >>>>>> survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >>>>> >>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >>>> >>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice crystals >>>> from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know if generic carp >>>> are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish (which are carp) >>>> surviving the winter in a shallow pond that almost certainly froze to >>>> the bottom. >>>> >>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? >>> >>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. >> >> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? > > they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for one. He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with Indians. -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 You want a job and a lizard to ride? < _The Einstein Intersection_
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>> >>>>> david hillstrom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> PERV. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <sniff> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Smee >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed >>>>>>>>> out, is all I can say. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Brrr. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into >>>>>>>> full motion when warmed up again? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that >>>>>>> survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >>>>>> >>>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >>>>> >>>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >>>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice crystals >>>>> from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know if generic carp >>>>> are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish (which are carp) >>>>> surviving the winter in a shallow pond that almost certainly froze to >>>>> the bottom. >>>>> >>>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? >>>> >>>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. >>> >>> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? >> >> they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for one. > >He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with >Indians. i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. -- dave hillstrom xrbj
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:05:13 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PERV. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <sniff> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Smee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed >>>>>>>>>> out, is all I can say. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Brrr. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into >>>>>>>>> full motion when warmed up again? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that >>>>>>>> survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >>>>>> >>>>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >>>>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice crystals >>>>>> from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know if generic carp >>>>>> are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish (which are carp) >>>>>> surviving the winter in a shallow pond that almost certainly froze to >>>>>> the bottom. >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? >>>>> >>>>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. >>>> >>>> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? >>> >>> they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for one. >> >> He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with >> Indians. > > i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. Um . . . . Haven't been any Indians-- organized groups, I mean-- 'round here in the old Northwest Territory since about 1814. He was lyin'. -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 You want a job and a lizard to ride? < _The Einstein Intersection_
mimus wrote: > On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:05:13 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > >>On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>><melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>>>><melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Tim Weaver wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>mimus wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>PERV. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>><sniff> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Well you DID ask. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Smee >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed >>>>>>>>>>>out, is all I can say. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Brrr. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into >>>>>>>>>>full motion when warmed up again? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that >>>>>>>>>survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>carp, for instance. frozen solid. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >>>>>>>glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice crystals >>>>>>>from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know if generic carp >>>>>>>are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish (which are carp) >>>>>>>surviving the winter in a shallow pond that almost certainly froze to >>>>>>>the bottom. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Did you ever see frozen carp? >>>>>> >>>>>>not personally. but tales from others say they have. >>>>> >>>>>Did they see them thaw out and swim off? >>>> >>>>they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for one. >>> >>>He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with >>>Indians. >> >>i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. > > Um . . . . > > Haven't been any Indians-- organized groups, I mean-- 'round here in the > old Northwest Territory since about 1814. > > He was lyin'. > There's indians around now. They live just down the street (in regular houses, however, and wearing regular clothes). Algonquian speaking types. They're like indigenous to the area. They do things like fix cars, teach school, run book stores and such. They never left but spent a century or two laying low. Now it's mostly OK to be an indian so it's possible to find some that you could make popcorn with. -- nuts
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:22:22 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: > mimus wrote: > >> On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:05:13 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PERV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sniff> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Smee >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be >>>>>>>>>>>> frozen and thawed out, is all I can say. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brrr. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will >>>>>>>>>>> spring back into full motion when warmed up again? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert >>>>>>>>>> toad that survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >>>>>>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice >>>>>>>> crystals from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know >>>>>>>> if generic carp are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish >>>>>>>> (which are carp) surviving the winter in a shallow pond that >>>>>>>> almost certainly froze to the bottom. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? >>>>> >>>>> they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for >>>>> one. >>>> >>>> He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with >>>> Indians. >>> >>> i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. >> >> Um . . . . >> >> Haven't been any Indians-- organized groups, I mean-- 'round here in >> the old Northwest Territory since about 1814. >> >> He was lyin'. > > There's indians around now. They live just down the street (in regular > houses, however, and wearing regular clothes). Algonquian speaking > types. They're like indigenous to the area. They do things like fix > cars, teach school, run book stores and such. They never left but spent > a century or two laying low. Now it's mostly OK to be an indian so it's > possible to find some that you could make popcorn with. Well, sure. Been that way all along. Especially intermarrieds. And more so since the dual-citizenship thingie came down in the last century. But even before that, really: No-one's ever had any objection to individual Injuns working and living outside the reservations as ordinary citizens, as far as I know (I'm not really up to speed on the whole matter, I admit), and for that matter Grant's chief military engineer during the Civil War was a Seneca Indian, a West Point graduate, I believe. For that matter, and this weirded me out when I read it, although I quite like it, there's a small reservation on Long Island, about as far East as you can go in the US without getting seriously wet. But there was apparently too much bitterness over the old Northwest Territory tribes siding with and fighting alongside the British in the War of 1812 for any reservations to be ceded in the consequent treaty (my mother doing genealogical research actually talked on the phone to a dumbass in the BIA once who insisted there were reservations in Ohio and Kentucky-- BIA must be where they "side-promote" all the Department of the Interior bureaucrats too stupid to trust to work anywhere else). -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 That is not a good plan. It should not be carried out. < The Crow scout White Swan to Custer, the day before
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:28:13 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:22:22 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: > >> mimus wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:05:13 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PERV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sniff> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smee >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be >>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen and thawed out, is all I can say. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Brrr. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will >>>>>>>>>>>> spring back into full motion when warmed up again? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert >>>>>>>>>>> toad that survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >>>>>>>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice >>>>>>>>> crystals from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know >>>>>>>>> if generic carp are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish >>>>>>>>> (which are carp) surviving the winter in a shallow pond that >>>>>>>>> almost certainly froze to the bottom. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? >>>>>> >>>>>> they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for >>>>>> one. >>>>> >>>>> He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with >>>>> Indians. >>>> >>>> i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. >>> >>> Um . . . . >>> >>> Haven't been any Indians-- organized groups, I mean-- 'round here in >>> the old Northwest Territory since about 1814. >>> >>> He was lyin'. >> >> There's indians around now. They live just down the street (in regular >> houses, however, and wearing regular clothes). Algonquian speaking >> types. They're like indigenous to the area. They do things like fix >> cars, teach school, run book stores and such. They never left but spent >> a century or two laying low. Now it's mostly OK to be an indian so it's >> possible to find some that you could make popcorn with. > >Well, sure. Been that way all along. Especially intermarrieds. And more >so since the dual-citizenship thingie came down in the last century. But >even before that, really: No-one's ever had any objection to >individual Injuns working and living outside the reservations as ordinary >citizens, as far as I know (I'm not really up to speed on the whole >matter, I admit), and for that matter Grant's chief military engineer >during the Civil War was a Seneca Indian, a West Point graduate, I believe. > >For that matter, and this weirded me out when I read it, although I >quite like it, there's a small reservation on Long Island, about as far >East as you can go in the US without getting seriously wet. > >But there was apparently too much bitterness over the old Northwest >Territory tribes siding with and fighting alongside the British in the War >of 1812 for any reservations to be ceded in the consequent treaty (my >mother doing genealogical research actually talked on the phone to a >dumbass in the BIA once who insisted there were reservations in Ohio and >Kentucky-- BIA must be where they "side-promote" all the Department of the >Interior bureaucrats too stupid to trust to work anywhere else). im sorry, but any sentence with a government agency in it and qualifying only ~some~ as "too stupid to trust" simply doesnt parse. -- dave hillstrom xrbj
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:16:12 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:28:13 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:22:22 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: >> >>> mimus wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:05:13 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PERV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sniff> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smee >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen and thawed out, is all I can say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brrr. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will >>>>>>>>>>>>> spring back into full motion when warmed up again? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert >>>>>>>>>>>> toad that survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >>>>>>>>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice >>>>>>>>>> crystals from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know >>>>>>>>>> if generic carp are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish >>>>>>>>>> (which are carp) surviving the winter in a shallow pond that >>>>>>>>>> almost certainly froze to the bottom. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for >>>>>>> one. >>>>>> >>>>>> He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with >>>>>> Indians. >>>>> >>>>> i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. >>>> >>>> Um . . . . >>>> >>>> Haven't been any Indians-- organized groups, I mean-- 'round here in >>>> the old Northwest Territory since about 1814. >>>> >>>> He was lyin'. >>> >>> There's indians around now. They live just down the street (in regular >>> houses, however, and wearing regular clothes). Algonquian speaking >>> types. They're like indigenous to the area. They do things like fix >>> cars, teach school, run book stores and such. They never left but spent >>> a century or two laying low. Now it's mostly OK to be an indian so it's >>> possible to find some that you could make popcorn with. >> >> Well, sure. Been that way all along. Especially intermarrieds. And >> more so since the dual-citizenship thingie came down in the last >> century. But even before that, really: No-one's ever had any objection >> to individual Injuns working and living outside the reservations as >> ordinary citizens, as far as I know (I'm not really up to speed on the >> whole matter, I admit), and for that matter Grant's chief military >> engineer during the Civil War was a Seneca Indian, a West Point >> graduate, I believe. >> >> For that matter, and this weirded me out when I read it, although I >> quite like it, there's a small reservation on Long Island, about as far >> East as you can go in the US without getting seriously wet. >> >> But there was apparently too much bitterness over the old Northwest >> Territory tribes siding with and fighting alongside the British in the >> War of 1812 for any reservations to be ceded in the consequent treaty >> (my mother doing genealogical research actually talked on the phone to >> a dumbass in the BIA once who insisted there were reservations in Ohio >> and Kentucky-- BIA must be where they "side-promote" all the Department >> of the Interior bureaucrats too stupid to trust to work anywhere else). > > im sorry, but any sentence with a government agency in it and qualifying > only ~some~ as "too stupid to trust" simply doesnt parse. Hell always has circles. (And probably one to the side . . . .) -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 You cannot help thinking that the no doubt ill-advised rebellion in which I was concerned in youth, unarithmeticable aeons before this Earth was thought of, took place quite long enough ago to be forgotten. < _The Silver Stallion_
"mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gMKdne6OJK5-lN3UnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com... > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:22:22 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: > > > mimus wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:05:13 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts > >>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> david hillstrom wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts > >>>>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mimus wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PERV. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sniff> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Smee > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be > >>>>>>>>>>>> frozen and thawed out, is all I can say. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Brrr. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will > >>>>>>>>>>> spring back into full motion when warmed up again? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert > >>>>>>>>>> toad that survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze > >>>>>>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice > >>>>>>>> crystals from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know > >>>>>>>> if generic carp are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish > >>>>>>>> (which are carp) surviving the winter in a shallow pond that > >>>>>>>> almost certainly froze to the bottom. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? > >>>>> > >>>>> they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for > >>>>> one. > >>>> > >>>> He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with > >>>> Indians. > >>> > >>> i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. > >> > >> Um . . . . > >> > >> Haven't been any Indians-- organized groups, I mean-- 'round here in > >> the old Northwest Territory since about 1814. > >> > >> He was lyin'. > > > > There's indians around now. They live just down the street (in regular > > houses, however, and wearing regular clothes). Algonquian speaking > > types. They're like indigenous to the area. They do things like fix > > cars, teach school, run book stores and such. They never left but spent > > a century or two laying low. Now it's mostly OK to be an indian so it's > > possible to find some that you could make popcorn with. > > Well, sure. Been that way all along. Especially intermarrieds. And more > so since the dual-citizenship thingie came down in the last century. But > even before that, really: No-one's ever had any objection to > individual Injuns working and living outside the reservations as ordinary > citizens, as far as I know (I'm not really up to speed on the whole > matter, I admit), and for that matter Grant's chief military engineer > during the Civil War was a Seneca Indian, a West Point graduate, I believe. > > For that matter, and this weirded me out when I read it, although I > quite like it, there's a small reservation on Long Island, about as far > East as you can go in the US without getting seriously wet. > > But there was apparently too much bitterness over the old Northwest > Territory tribes siding with and fighting alongside the British in the War > of 1812 for any reservations to be ceded in the consequent treaty (my > mother doing genealogical research actually talked on the phone to a > dumbass in the BIA once who insisted there were reservations in Ohio and > Kentucky-- BIA must be where they "side-promote" all the Department of the > Interior bureaucrats too stupid to trust to work anywhere else). You nailed it. Time servers whose sole concern is guarding their jobs and gov. pensions. Smee, who has dealt with the BIA. > > -- > tinmimus99@hotmail.com > > smeeter 11 or maybe 12 > > mp 10 > > mhm 29x13 > > That is not a good plan. It should not be carried out. > > < The Crow scout White Swan to Custer, the day before >
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:38:33 -0800, pscissons wrote: > "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:gMKdne6OJK5-lN3UnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@giganews.com... > >> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:22:22 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: >> >>> mimus wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:05:13 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>>>>>>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PERV. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sniff> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smee >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen and thawed out, is all I can say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brrr. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will >>>>>>>>>>>>> spring back into full motion when warmed up again? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert >>>>>>>>>>>> toad that survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >>>>>>>>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice >>>>>>>>>> crystals from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know >>>>>>>>>> if generic carp are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish >>>>>>>>>> (which are carp) surviving the winter in a shallow pond that >>>>>>>>>> almost certainly froze to the bottom. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for >>>>>>> one. >>>>>> >>>>>> He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with >>>>>> Indians. >>>>> >>>>> i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. >>>> >>>> Um . . . . >>>> >>>> Haven't been any Indians-- organized groups, I mean-- 'round here in >>>> the old Northwest Territory since about 1814. >>>> >>>> He was lyin'. >>> >>> There's indians around now. They live just down the street (in regular >>> houses, however, and wearing regular clothes). Algonquian speaking >>> types. They're like indigenous to the area. They do things like fix >>> cars, teach school, run book stores and such. They never left but spent >>> a century or two laying low. Now it's mostly OK to be an indian so it's >>> possible to find some that you could make popcorn with. >> >> Well, sure. Been that way all along. Especially intermarrieds. And more >> so since the dual-citizenship thingie came down in the last century. But >> even before that, really: No-one's ever had any objection to >> individual Injuns working and living outside the reservations as ordinary >> citizens, as far as I know (I'm not really up to speed on the whole >> matter, I admit), and for that matter Grant's chief military engineer >> during the Civil War was a Seneca Indian, a West Point graduate, I >> believe. >> >> For that matter, and this weirded me out when I read it, although I >> quite like it, there's a small reservation on Long Island, about as far >> East as you can go in the US without getting seriously wet. >> >> But there was apparently too much bitterness over the old Northwest >> Territory tribes siding with and fighting alongside the British in the >> War of 1812 for any reservations to be ceded in the consequent treaty >> (my mother doing genealogical research actually talked on the phone to >> a dumbass in the BIA once who insisted there were reservations in Ohio >> and Kentucky-- BIA must be where they "side-promote" all the Department >> of the Interior bureaucrats too stupid to trust to work anywhere else). > > You nailed it. Time servers whose sole concern is guarding their jobs > and gov. pensions. > > Smee, who has dealt with the BIA. Well, it beats the Old Guard BIA, I guess, who were in it for as much as they could steal . . . . -- tinmimus99@hotmail.com smeeter 11 or maybe 12 mp 10 mhm 29x13 "You are either insane or a fool." "I am a sanitary inspector." < _Maske: Thaery_
In article <199tj4turgfg007e9namprggve7qcgnil0@4ax.com>, dave@meow.org says... > On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > >On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts > >>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> david hillstrom wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts > >>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> mimus wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> PERV. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <sniff> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Smee > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed > >>>>>>>>> out, is all I can say. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Brrr. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into > >>>>>>>> full motion when warmed up again? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that > >>>>>>> survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. > >>>>> > >>>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze > >>>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice crystals > >>>>> from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know if generic carp > >>>>> are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish (which are carp) > >>>>> surviving the winter in a shallow pond that almost certainly froze to > >>>>> the bottom. > >>>>> > >>>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? > >>>> > >>>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. > >>> > >>> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? > >> > >> they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for one. > > > >He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with > >Indians. > > i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. > My grandfather used to tell us that he once swam all the way to America (from Sweden), we were very impressed until my grandma started telling him off for lying. -- . \ /| | , , __ __. _ .- , . / | ___ | / |' `. .' \ \,' | ` /__| ___\ |-< | | | | /\ | | @@ e\ / / \_ / | `._.' / \ `---|. @@@ { / \___/ @@.-<.-----__/ / / ) )--./-/' knoxy `.\) ( mhm34x10 .>) \ smeeter #6 / \ #6 on mimus wanted poster list / | Best Newbie in alt.flame 2005 J | Snarky's Gutter Chix0rz #13 __`-._____/_\ ___________________________________________________ ` made by VK knoxy@post.com
mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in news:UYqdnTVm283TMKTUnZ2dnUVZ_tPinZ2d@giganews.com: > On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:31:18 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: > >> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:24:56 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:23:36 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: >>> >>>> mimus wrote: >>>> >>>>> But I reely reely like this: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.wormbase.org/ >>>>> >>>>> For a quick intro to what it's all about, the noble _C. elegans_, >>>>> which consists of about a thousand cells, eats bacteria, has a >>>>> nervous system, can be frozen and thawed back out, is virus-free, >>>>> and survived the _Columbia_ disaster, see: >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caenorhabditis_elegans >>>> >>>> They're more 'evolved' than we are as well - they go through >>>> thousands of generations in a human lifetime, have a much larger >>>> population base, and have been around in substantially 'settled >>>> form' for a lot longer. >>>> >>>> "Elegans" is a proper descriptive term. >>> >>> Could've equally well've been "efficiens". >>> >>> The exciting part is that in their progress from the single-cell >>> fertilized egg to the thousand-cell adult (complete with nervous >>> system!), they use much the same developmental-control genes that >>> the rest of us use, making them a sweet little "model organism" for >>> studying said development, just as earlier the noble _Drosophila >>> melanogaster_ became the "model organism" for genetics with its >>> giant chromosomes. >>> >>> Also, rather neatly, any time environmental stress, such as lack of >>> food, warrants, they raise the number of males to go forth and >>> explore. >> >> how long do these little critters live? > > Based on the freezing-and-thawing and _Columbia_ things, I'd say just > about forever. > > An "extreme metazoan", indeed, right up there with if not actually > more so than cockroaches. Let's dump a couple of gallons of 'em on Mars, and maybe the place will be liveable soon. ;D
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:40:26 -0500, david hillstrom <dave@meow.org> wrote: >On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:14:52 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >wrote: > >>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:57:51 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: >> >>> david hillstrom wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:39:16 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:31:18 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:24:56 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:23:36 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But I reely reely like this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.wormbase.org/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For a quick intro to what it's all about, the noble _C. elegans_, which >>>>>>>>> consists of about a thousand cells, eats bacteria, has a nervous system, >>>>>>>>> can be frozen and thawed back out, is virus-free, and survived the >>>>>>>>> _Columbia_ disaster, see: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caenorhabditis_elegans >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They're more 'evolved' than we are as well - they go through thousands >>>>>>>> of generations in a human lifetime, have a much larger population base, >>>>>>>> and have been around in substantially 'settled form' for a lot longer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Elegans" is a proper descriptive term. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could've equally well've been "efficiens". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The exciting part is that in their progress from the single-cell >>>>>>> fertilized egg to the thousand-cell adult (complete with nervous >>>>>>> system!), they use much the same developmental-control genes that the >>>>>>> rest of us use, making them a sweet little "model organism" for >>>>>>> studying said development, just as earlier the noble _Drosophila >>>>>>> melanogaster_ became the "model organism" for genetics with its giant >>>>>>> chromosomes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, rather neatly, any time environmental stress, such as lack of >>>>>>> food, warrants, they raise the number of males to go forth and explore. >>>>>> >>>>>> how long do these little critters live? >>>>> >>>>> Based on the freezing-and-thawing and _Columbia_ things, I'd say just >>>>> about forever. >>>>> >>>>> An "extreme metazoan", indeed, right up there with if not actually more so >>>>> than cockroaches. >>>> >>>> what if i eat one by accident? will it make me sick? are they >>>> already living inside me? >>> >>> You can't eat just one. >> >>Be sure to wash them fruits 'n' nuts 'n' veggies 'n' roots before you chow >>down on 'em, eh? >> >>(With filtered water, at that.) > >if we could only train them to fix damaged tissue, we'd be set. this thread has reminded me of an asian manga inspired film we watched the other night called 'the gene generation'. i think it'd be your kind of film, dave.
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:08:54 -0000, knoxy <knoxy@post.com> wrote: >In article <199tj4turgfg007e9namprggve7qcgnil0@4ax.com>, dave@meow.org >says... >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >> >>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> david hillstrom wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >> >>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> mimus wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> PERV. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <sniff> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Smee >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be frozen and thawed >> >>>>>>>>> out, is all I can say. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Brrr. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will spring back into >> >>>>>>>> full motion when warmed up again? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert toad that >> >>>>>>> survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish too. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >> >>>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice crystals >> >>>>> from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know if generic carp >> >>>>> are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish (which are carp) >> >>>>> surviving the winter in a shallow pond that almost certainly froze to >> >>>>> the bottom. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? >> >>>> >> >>>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. >> >>> >> >>> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? >> >> >> >> they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for one. >> > >> >He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with >> >Indians. >> >> i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. >> >My grandfather used to tell us that he once swam all the way to America >(from Sweden), we were very impressed until my grandma started telling >him off for lying. only because the cheating cunt sailed a ljongbjoat over 'cause he was to lazy to swim.
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:20:14 +0000, metro-golden-meower <metro-golden-meower@meowdot.org> wrote: >On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:40:26 -0500, david hillstrom <dave@meow.org> >wrote: > >>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:14:52 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:57:51 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: >>> >>>> david hillstrom wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:39:16 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:31:18 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:24:56 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:23:36 -0500, mixed nuts wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mimus wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But I reely reely like this: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.wormbase.org/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For a quick intro to what it's all about, the noble _C. elegans_, which >>>>>>>>>> consists of about a thousand cells, eats bacteria, has a nervous system, >>>>>>>>>> can be frozen and thawed back out, is virus-free, and survived the >>>>>>>>>> _Columbia_ disaster, see: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caenorhabditis_elegans >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They're more 'evolved' than we are as well - they go through thousands >>>>>>>>> of generations in a human lifetime, have a much larger population base, >>>>>>>>> and have been around in substantially 'settled form' for a lot longer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Elegans" is a proper descriptive term. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Could've equally well've been "efficiens". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The exciting part is that in their progress from the single-cell >>>>>>>> fertilized egg to the thousand-cell adult (complete with nervous >>>>>>>> system!), they use much the same developmental-control genes that the >>>>>>>> rest of us use, making them a sweet little "model organism" for >>>>>>>> studying said development, just as earlier the noble _Drosophila >>>>>>>> melanogaster_ became the "model organism" for genetics with its giant >>>>>>>> chromosomes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, rather neatly, any time environmental stress, such as lack of >>>>>>>> food, warrants, they raise the number of males to go forth and explore. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> how long do these little critters live? >>>>>> >>>>>> Based on the freezing-and-thawing and _Columbia_ things, I'd say just >>>>>> about forever. >>>>>> >>>>>> An "extreme metazoan", indeed, right up there with if not actually more so >>>>>> than cockroaches. >>>>> >>>>> what if i eat one by accident? will it make me sick? are they >>>>> already living inside me? >>>> >>>> You can't eat just one. >>> >>>Be sure to wash them fruits 'n' nuts 'n' veggies 'n' roots before you chow >>>down on 'em, eh? >>> >>>(With filtered water, at that.) >> >>if we could only train them to fix damaged tissue, we'd be set. > >this thread has reminded me of an asian manga inspired film we watched >the other night called 'the gene generation'. i think it'd be your >kind of film, dave. probably, yes. -- dave hillstrom xrbj
metro-golden-meower wrote: > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:08:54 -0000, knoxy <knoxy@post.com> wrote: > >>In article <199tj4turgfg007e9namprggve7qcgnil0@4ax.com>, dave@meow.org >>says... >>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:43:31 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:32:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>> > >>> >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:16:02 -0500, mimus <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:09:27 -0500, david hillstrom wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:59:18 -0500, mixed nuts >>> >>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> david hillstrom wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:56:03 -0500, mixed nuts >>> >>>>>> <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Tim Weaver wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> mimus wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:26:19 -0800, pscissons wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> "mimus" <tinmimus99@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> >>>>>>>>>> news:xe2dnYedbaBXdKfUnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:23:04 -0800, Shirley wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> PERV. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> <sniff> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna take my worms and go home. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Well you DID ask. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Smee >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Speakin' of _C. elegans_, it's a good thing they can be >>> >>>>>>>>> frozen and thawed out, is all I can say. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Brrr. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Ain't there some other things that can be frozen and will >>> >>>>>>>> spring back into full motion when warmed up again? >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Many insects overwinter frozen. There's the sonoran desert >>> >>>>>>> toad that survives freezing on a routine basis. Some fish >>> >>>>>>> too. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> carp, for instance. frozen solid. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Antarctic cod, herring and some other fish produce an antifreeze >>> >>>>> glycoprotein (given a bit of time to wind up) which keeps ice >>> >>>>> crystals from forming that prevents tissue damage. I don't know >>> >>>>> if generic carp are capable of this but I have heard of goldfish >>> >>>>> (which are carp) surviving the winter in a shallow pond that >>> >>>>> almost certainly froze to the bottom. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Did you ever see frozen carp? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> not personally. but tales from others say they have. >>> >>> >>> >>> Did they see them thaw out and swim off? >>> >> >>> >> they did. i didnt. credible sources, too. my grandfather, for >>> >> one. >>> > >>> >He was having you on. Mine told me once he used to make popcorn with >>> >Indians. >>> >>> i suppose he ~could~ have if he ground them up enough. >>> >>My grandfather used to tell us that he once swam all the way to America >>(from Sweden), we were very impressed until my grandma started telling >>him off for lying. > > only because the cheating cunt sailed a ljongbjoat over 'cause he was > to lazy to swim. Did you get a slap for that comment? -- Tim Weaver I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
