California now, who is next?

Well, I can think of someone you can credit with that particular phenomenon. I think he just gets off on the controversy. I find that when you don't bite on his obvious baiting tactics, the threads just die. You're not going to change his mind anyway-once a bigot, always a bigot.

I know that the moderators give him slack because he has been a member for some time. I guess that they don't realize that going to the crossroads has its price. I just can't think of the last time he talked about coins.

In case you are confused about who I am referencing, look at the person who baited this hook, I mean started this thread.

 

Oh yeah, I'm an extremist. I strap bombs to my chest and blow up school buses full of children. I love abusing women. You know what **** YOU! Yes I said it F U. How dare you compare me to the same people that killed someone close to me. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being. People like you make me sick. You are such a hypocrite, creating negative stereotypes, when that is what you are purpotedly against.

 

You know what? It takes balls to overcome the loss of a close one & view the world rationally. How do you view Cindy Sheehan? She lost someone close to her & lost her marbles. She does not see the world rationally. She is an extremist. I compared your views to extremist views, not terrorist views. Extremists and terrorists are not the same thing. Pat Robertson is an extremist, but I doubt he's blown anyone up. Had I called you a terrorist, you would be correct, but someone with extremist views isn't the same as someone who blows up buildings & murders children. I personally doubt you would take a machine gun to a mosque's day care (I hope anyway). Extremist does not equal murderer. There is a fine line there between the two.

 

Wow.... I love how no one can continue a discussion without some people stepping in to call people names and be generally verbally abusive. THAT makes me sicker than these threads.

~AJ

 

This is a very, very touchy topic. Everyone is aggressively firm & unchanging on their point of view, and that inevitably leads to boiling over. (I admit that I am guilty of this)

 

And look who took the "bait" and continues to dance on a string....

twitch dance, twitch dance, twitch dance.......

Slow learner by any definition.....sorry....cognitively challenged by genetic inheritance....gotta keep this PC

 

Took the bait or pointed it out...no love lost here folks. I'm glad you've deicded you've won all the debates dog, at least you can snuggle up to youself and be oh so happy. Reality is that you've contributed nothing other than catch phrases that only you find amusing. Does PC stand for Politically Correct or Pointlessly conversational in your case?

 

In reference to a statement made about what was going to be required in order to stop this insane terrorisn that is being carried out in the name of Islam. ajm made the following suggestion, which was generally accepted by most of us in this discussion. A well thought out answer to say the least.
The same question is being ask of those of you who keep ducking the issue, so lets try it again.

[QUUOTE=ajm229]I AGREE that either the clerics within Islam need to seriously denounce terrorist activities in their religion and do something to put a stop to it, or else other countries being affected by terrorism are going to be forced to step in and attempt to eradicate terrorism.[/QUOTE]
O.K. there it is again, the post made by ajm and my challenge to even those who may be cogmatively challanged like Mu haM oen to either agree or give their stand on the matter. All I'm saying is .....
Now that wasn't so hard was it?

 

I've trained you well. You respond now exactly as expected Admittedly, the challenge is going to be getting you to dance to a different tune

Pinnochio....when the lesson finally sinks in, I'll stop repeating it.

Until then......twitch dance, twitch dance, twitch dance......

Here ya go OldDan, your turn to hold the strings.

 

The moderators give me nothing they don't give any one else here on this forum. I know where the line is and I don't step over it for you or anyone else. Generally it's out of respect for the moderators you seem to have such a low oppinion of.
As to my last post on matters related to coins. Could it be that you are too busy making such brilliant posts as these to realize there are other things to talk about than this modern junk. Examplles of Mu haM oen's posts:

Yes sir, you learn a lot reading these posts! (your turn dog)

 

well, it's a loaded question, Dan - you know that.

You're dealing with extreme hatred - the religion is a sloppy excuse. People who hate LOVE to have a high horse to endorse their actions. If it weren't for religion, they would find something else that excuses their actions. These people are nothing more than emotional mercinaries.

Besides, does it really matter to you that the actions are being carried out in the name of Islam? Would it be any different if it were being carried out in the name of the proletariate? What then, hate poor people because, through being poor, they would endorse these terrorists?

You can't stop hatred, and you can't build a society that is protected from the actions of a hateful person... when a group comes to your door, you can deal with them one way or another, when someone breaks into your house while you live your everyday life - they are going to catch you off guard. So what are you going to do? Give up your every day life to watch your windows?

So your answer is that you do nothing more than reasonable protection. The cry of attention is only fueling their number anyway.

 

Exactly. The terrorist organizations want an all-out war between Islam and the West - something the majority of Muslims don't want. By creating fear & hatred in Western societies, they are trying to get Western nations to go to war with Muslim nations, and as a consequence get more Muslims angry at the West (and increasing the number of terrorists). By blaming Islam as a whole for the actions of a few, you are playing right into their hands.

 

Hm. That's not a bad way of looking at it. I view the situation with a similar light. (Now I'll play Devil's Advocate for a sec.) But that doesn't address why Muslim clerics haven't denounced most of these terrorist attacks (as examples, I will cite the Madrid Subway bombing, the 2 bombings of the London transportation systems, bombings in Indonesia, Egypt, and Jordan, to name a few) with any strength.

Can you, Cyclonus, agree that Muslim clerics need to denounce terrorist activities more strongly? Then, can you also agree with the point that if it goes unresolved internally within the faith then other countries will feel the need to step into the situation (as the United States has done) and attempt to stop attacks on their citizens?

If you can find yourself in agreement (or at least understand) these two points, then I think you will know what my stand is on this matter.

~AJ

 

"Why don't you create threads about blacks and crime (the DC sniper was black, so hey - maybe that's the reason! )"


Answer: The DC sniper was a muslim by the way and his purpose was to terrorize.

"Now why don't you go sit down with your family, have a nice family dinner & prayer session, and talk about how genocide is your friend, and the towel-headed camel-jockeys should be exterminated."

Answer: Never once in all of my posts did I mention killing anyone. All I ever did was point out how Islam is killing people around the world and at the same time having the media and our educational institutions tell us how it is a religion of love. I did however once mentioned how our military should have gone into Syria for if it did perhaps the Sunnis would not be blowing up so many of the Shia as well as our own troops. Net long term effect, less loss of life.

"Seriously, I'm glad most people don't think the way you do. I've never met a more twisted set of paranoid minds in my life. Anyways, I'm done with these "discussions". If it's politics or hate-mongering, I'm out.[/QUOTE]"

Paranoid, hey I got my point of view from reading the koran, attending mosques, and being in the middle east. Not from a Sunni cleric who brainwashed me from birth or The network news.

 

Rick, I read that you think that this topic is overdone but with all due respect I happen to think that the future of the world depends on how this issue works out.
Even if the whole world goes Islamic the problems of the koran will not go away for the Sunnis have been killing and degrading the Shia for the longest of times and when Iran has the bomb, it is a whole new ballgame.
However, I always enjoyed reading your other posts and would not mind engaging in other threads of things of a more amusing nature.

 

I've never seen any evidence in my own readings or from what I know that clerics on the whole preach terrorism. Obviously, SOME do, because it's been played out in the media from sources that I trust. But you can't tell me that clerics at Islamic places of worship everywhere condone this. That's simply untrue.

Furthermore, I don't think it's fair to stereotype against all clerics based on a select few who perpetrate bad ideology like terrorism.

 

Absolutely right ajm, I agree with you 100%

Again I would have to agree with you on this statement. I keep asking why some of the other forum people can't let themselves at least acknowledge there are these individuals and that something needs to be done to eliminate the leaders of the terrorist activities.

 

Thanks, Dan. I think that if people can agree with the two direct questions I posed above, they'll at least have some view of my (our) position on this issue.

~AJ

 

I'm curious, are there any mandates/guidelines in Islam to aid the destitute (the poor, the starving, the widowed, the orphaned) in their own religion, let alone "other" people?

I ask because the difference between rich and poor in Saudi Arabia alone is astounding. The urban unemployment rate of men 18-35 is in the neighborhood of 60%. That makes for a HUGE number of able bodied, tired, hungry, crowded men with nothing but time on their hands and no hope on the horizon. Its a population ripe for following the same "motivational" type speeches that Hitler gave. So in quoting the old cliche, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" I have to wonder what is being done to aleviate this pressure cooker. You can be certain the Saudi royal family isn't going to give up any of its $$$ anytime. Saudi Arabia is only one such example, there are many in the middle east.

Best way to stop a fire is to remove the fuel. Thoughts?

 

Good question Lawdog. The Shia have a policy called Mutah. Mutah is one of the two types of marriage, permanent and temporary, in the Shia world. Mutah differs from permanent marriage in that it does not require divorce to terminate it. It can be for a period as short as an evening or as long as a lifetime. So any young, beautiful but poor shia women could be married by an already married shia man for a night, a week, a month, etc...The man's wife or wifes may or may not know of the Mutah arrangement. This arrangement would give a widow the chance to earn money to provide for her kids as well as for a poor pretty teenager to bring money and gifts into her families home without being dishonoured and therefore stoned to death. I know that there will be people now attacking what I written but are they Shia? The Sunnis have their own thing going on but I let any Sunni follower to explain.

Of course alms for the poor will also be mentioned but Mutah is a very very popular way of "helping".

By the way Lawdog, George Carlin is far left from me but I was always a big fan of his material. Very clever comic.