Byron Williams and Glenn Beck

"I would have never started watching Fox News if it wasn't for the fact that Beck was on there. And it was the things that he did, it was the things he exposed that blew my mind." - Byron Williams

When is it Ok to pick up a gun in this country and start shooting the other side? Apparently for Mr. Byron Williams it was after watching Glenn Beck rant about the Tides Foundation on his televised hate-fest on Fox. The Right likes to bring up radicals from the 60’s as examples of the Left inciting violence but when there is a direct link to people like Mr. Williams and Glenn Beck’s rhetoric today, they can’t understand what the fuss is about. More and more shooters, at least the ones that live, are linking their violent acts to the rhetoric of the Right wing hate merchants these days. These are unstable people to begin with but the open tolerance and promotion of hate-filled rhetoric seems to give them psychological license to commit acts of violence towards the police, minorities, religions, innocent bystanders, and anyone else they deem as the enemy. When will the Right rein in it’s extreme elements?

 

This is the second time you have brought this up;

and my reply;

You totally avoided the question last time, but since you brought it up again. So you found ONE. I will give you another chance to site any more references you might have.

 

Yes I have brought up a similar topic but it was in reference to the angry displays of Tea Party participants at public events that time. This topic is in regard to a man strapping on body armor, arming himself to the teeth, and opening fire on the police that pulled him over on his way to shoot up the offices of the Tides Foundation all as a consequence, in his own words, of "...watching Fox News if it wasn't for the fact that Beck was on there. And it was the things that he did, it was the things he exposed that blew my mind".

This only seems like the same topic because these incidents of inflammatory rhetoric inciting unstable people to commit acts of violence are getting so common nowadays. That should be your “Aha!” moment here not the fact that a similar post was made some time ago.

 

I list 6 left wing acts/actors of violence of the top of my head and you manage to find one right winger, but "That should be your “Aha!” moment here". I really think you have something backwards here.

 

Funny, I haven't heard evidence of this. I hear people like you, who believe everything the lefties manufacture, jump on the bandwagon but aren't these quick conclusions typically debunked? In fact, haven't more of these unstable people been linked to the radical left than the right? I realize the facts get in the way of your agenda but at some point they have to be addressed.

 

Bill Ayers? Really? Why not mention the Rosenbergs or Geronimo? Are you saying this guy Williams is of little consequence because of the ratio. If Moen had a thread on the assisination of Lincoln; would you try to show him up by reminding him of how many Presidents werent shot?

 

I don't know what you're talking about because I'm still on topic. It's not the Left in question here and your attempt at moral equivalency is typical but unfounded. Why can't you just talk about this issue at hand instead of trying to say the Left did it so it is OK for the Right to do it? What kind of nonsense is that? It’s not right when anybody does it but the Right wing hate media has certainly raised the bar with a character like Beck but you just can’t bring yourself to talk about it can you? Too close to home for your partisan beliefs.
You’ll condemn a radical from the 60’s like William Ayers indefinitely but will not condemn someone like Williams who was radicalized by Beck currently. When your moral equivalency relies on looking back 40 plus years of and my example only requires reading the daily news, you are failing completely to convince me of your position.

 

I don't watch Beck and am not a fan but...What does he say that makes people go out and kill?

I mean, we have had a President shot over Jodie Foster and I think Al Gore's book was found on some wackos reading list recently. And, of course, there is the whole Islamic Terrorist thing where we have the majority of people reading the same thing but not blowing themselves up.

Sometimes the reasons crazy people give for doing crazy things are just....crazy.

But, like I said, I really don't follow anything Beck says. I hear about him in the news from time to time (and here). But I have never sat down and watched his show so I really don't know what his killer message is.

 

You and I certainly wouldn't take Beck's nonsense as anything but diarrhea of the mouth but take some unstable individual like Williams who can't tell the difference between fiction and reality and you whip that person into a willing soldier for a cause that never was. It’s not about what millions of normal people don’t do; it about what unbalanced people might do that is the real concern. I agree that there is a fine line between free speech and incitement but we have to sit down as a society and decide how many incidences constitute enough proof that the crazies among us are being recruited with inflammatory rhetoric intentionally and without regard for public safety.

 

I did not not condemn anyone (double negative purposely used). You did. Your silence was deafening here; http://www.prweforum.com/showthread.php?29176-White-Anglo-Tea-Party-type-goes-berzerk-!!!

You have now twice (and probably more) stated that the right is responsible for more violence/violent acts than the left. All I have done is ask for you to back that statement up with something. So far you have managed to find one while I have listed 6.

 

Since you can't seem to help yourself from trying to change the subject I'll provide you with the last hundred years of the Right wing's history of violence instead. You can of course condemn the source as you usually do but rather than do that, how about you tell me which historical facts the source reported inaccurately and how are they inaccurate?

The Right has a long history of this type of violence, so if the Left has picked up a few pointers along the way, it wouldn't be all that surprising. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/21/73725/4486

 

Glenn Beck...George W Bush...Sarah Palin...Sean Hannity....Tanman Boehner.....Ann""the man" Coulter...The Dick Cheney.....Rush Limpbaugh...and the latest O'Donnell in Delaware.....
The right must be proud......so proud of its' representatives. What great leaders...statesman.....criminals and profiteers. You are a proud group indeed, Oh wise, smart and moral right wing. Really....you all help to make the world such a lovely place.

 

Oh! Good. Did you even bother to read what you posted? The KKK was active in the 1910's and 1920's, Ford's security in the 30's, peoples unknown doing racial (therefore right wing?) violence in the 60's, and ends. It names more lefties than those of the right. If this is "last hundred years of the Right wing's history of violence" you have just succeeded in proving they are the most non-violent people on earth (at least for the last 40 years).

 

Yes! That's why I said in the last hundred years. All I have proven is that the Right has a rather long history of violence.

 

I think you just proved that you did not read what I posted.

 

You forgot to stick your tongue out

 

All the history aside. All the diversions aside. All the topic switching aside. Can you simply address the topic or should I just move on and forget you as just being someone that can't bring himself to consider something without the partisan mind-block you can't seem to get passed.

The topic of this thread is Williams admitting that he was incited to violence by Glenn Beck in case you have forgotten. If you can't speak to it, I will not entertain your attempts at changing the subject. Speak to the topic or move along.

 

Just to remind you, the topic at hand (your post) is;

Again, I ask aside from Byron Williams, what other right winger can you site. Really, there must be another since the 1960's. Elsewise, I must assume that there are none and this is another left wing propaganda incident.

 

Here's what I took away from your post:
"More and more shooters, at least the ones that live, are linking their violent acts to the rhetoric of the Right wing hate merchants these days."

Exactly which "shooters" are you referring to?

 

I think that what he is saying is that he cannot find any incidents of right wing violence since the 1960's except Byron Williams. Since Byron is the first in 40 years, that is more than there used to be.