Bill Clinton Calls Obamacare "Crazy System"

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  1. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    Hey, stupid liberals, we've been telling you this for a long time. What does it take for you to learn that Obamacare is a piece of shit? Will you listen to Bill Clinton, at least?

    Dems turn on ObamaCare amid premium hikes, Bill Clinton laments ‘crazy system’

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    October 4, 2016

    ObamaCare has survived dozens of Republican attempts to repeal and undermine it, but a new wave of Democratic complaints -- led most recently by former President Bill Clinton -- about the cost crush facing consumers is posing a fresh challenge.

    Bill Clinton, on the campaign trail for Hillary Clinton, told voters in Michigan on Monday that the legislation has created a “crazy system” where millions more people have health care but those unable to qualify for subsidies are getting “killed.”

    “The people … out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half,” Clinton said. “It’s the craziest thing in the world.”

    The comments come as Republican and Democratic administrations at the state level all grapple with fresh complications from the law, as insurers threaten to leave the ObamaCare exchanges amid financial concerns and customers face the prospect of rising premiums for the plans available.

    Asked Tuesday about the Clinton comments, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said President Obama has “continued strong confidence” in the benefits provided under the health law.

    “Twenty million Americans have access to quality affordable health insurance today that didn’t have it” before, he said. At the same time, Earnest said Obama acknowledges more can be done to “further strengthen the law” – and noted Hillary Clinton has signaled interest in doing so.

    Amid the fallout from the ex-president’s remarks, Clinton spokesman Angel Urena clarified he was trying to speak about the “good it has done” in expanding coverage while addressing room for improvement.

    “And while he was slightly short-handed, it's clear to everyone, including President Obama, that improvements are needed. That’s why Secretary Clinton has proposed measures including tax relief to cover excessive out-of-pocket costs, a public option and Medicare buy-in for those over 55,” Urena said.

    In his remarks, Clinton also railed against the “insurance model” as a whole.

    Clinton’s comments in Michigan follow officials in nearby Minnesota recently agreeing to huge price hikes in order to convince insurers to stay. Commerce Commissioner Mike Rothman announced Friday that individual market plans could raise rates as high as 67 percent next year. The jump in cost follows this year’s hike of 14 percent to 49 percent.

    In a written statement, Rothman, who serves in a Democratic administration, said middle-class residents are getting “crushed” and called for urgent reforms in the state’s individual market.

    “This year the need for reform is now without any doubt even more serious and urgent,” Rothman said. He called the soaring rates “unsustainable and unfair,” while saying the steps they took were necessary to “avert a collapse this year” – after the state’s largest health insurer, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Minnesota, announced it would stop selling health plans to individuals and families in 2017 and other insurers had threatened to follow.

    The insurance giant said extraordinary financial losses drove its decision. The company said it was “projecting a total loss of more than $500 million in the individual [health plan] segment over three years.”

    Many states are facing similar challenges.

    “Employer markets are fairly stable, but the individual insurance market does not feel stable at all,” Janet S. Trautwein, chief executive of the National Association of Health Underwriters, told The New York Times. “In many states, the individual market is in shambles.”

    Democrats, who once enthusiastically supported President Obama’s landmark legislation, are feeling the heat and looking for ways to cut consumer costs.

    One Democrat-touted solution is the so-called public option.

    Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, multiple members of Congress and even Obama himself are floating it as a cure for the growing crisis.

    A public option -- or insurance plan offered by the government -- had been written into early versions of the bill but failed to make the final cut in the law signed by Obama in March 2010.

    Thirty-three Democrats signed a non-binding Senate resolution last month to add the public option to ObamaCare.

    Obama wrote recently in the Journal of the American Medical Association that “Congress should revisit a public plan to compete alongside private insurers in areas of the country where competition is limited.”

    Oregon Democratic Sen. Jeff Merkley’s resolution isn’t likely to pass – since Republicans have a majority and generally oppose the idea as a way to fix ObamaCare.

    Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and several GOP lawmakers, including Sen. John McCain, of Arizona, argue the public option isn’t an option at all.

    Arizona in particular is bracing for double-digit premium hikes next year. McCain, who has been a vocal opponent of ObamaCare from the start, maintains “the whole thing is collapsing like a house of cards.”

    “Now that the law is unraveling, it’s no surprise that Democrats are clamoring for a so-called ‘public option,’” McCain recently told FoxNews.com in a statement. “If anything is clear about this failed law, it’s that more government intervention is the wrong solution to fixing our health care system.”

    Cato Institute scholar Jeffrey Singer believes the public option is nothing more than a sleight of hand and “would eliminate competition, not increase it.”

    “Few things are more frightening for the future of American health care,” he wrote. “ObamaCare’s critics were right to predict that it would enter a death spiral; Arizonans are now experiencing it firsthand. Now we must ensure that its death spiral doesn’t take us down an even darker road.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-hikes-bill-clinton-laments-crazy-system.html
     
  2. arizonaJack

    arizonaJack Well-Known Member

    Crooked Bill was actually honest once? Lyin Joe will be devastated!!!
     
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  3. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Unfortunately, liberals have insufficient foresight, and have to make the mistakes for themselves to be convinced that something doesn't work . . . even then, some of them still expect different results after making the same choices repeatedly. I believe that tendency is used to define the very word you used . . . stupid.
     
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  4. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

  5. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    How about the WHOLE TRUTH?

    What happened to "now it costs twice as much for half the care?" . . . sorry that the quote is not exact, but I know what I heard this morning.

    No mention at all of that in the huffpo story . . . naturally.
     
  6. rlm's cents
    Hot

    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    And that is supposed to support Obamacare? I would hate for him to actually dislike it!

    Bill Clinton criticized President Obama’s most significant policy achievement while campaigning for Hillary Clinton this week, breaking with his wife’s public practice by referring to aspects of the Obamacare system as “the craziest thing in the world.”

    At a rally for Democrats in Flint, Mich., on Monday, Clinton said the current system works fine for seniors on Medicare, poor people on Medicaid and low-income earners who qualify for Obamacare subsidies.

    But small-business owners and individuals who make just a little too much to qualify for government subsidies are “getting killed in this deal,” the former president said.

    “So you’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have healthcare, and then the people who are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half,” Clinton said. “It’s the craziest thing in the world.”
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...calls-obamacare-the-1475601274-htmlstory.html
     
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  7. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Thanks for finding that quote.
     
  8. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    The Right-wing circle jerk goes on.....
     
  9. rlm's cents
    Hot

    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    Yep! I guess exact quotes and other facts that get in a liberal's way area a problem for you.
     
  10. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    Thank you, Bill Clinton for endorsing Donald Trump

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    October 4, 2016

    This year James Carville could sum up the key to the 2016 election by saying, “It’s ObamaCare, stupid.”

    Donald Trump wants to repeal ObamaCare. Hillary wants to expand it. The choice doesn’t get any clearer than that.

    Knowing this, it’s pretty clear that anyone who supports ObamaCare, supports Hillary. Anyone who despises ObamaCare and agrees it’s a disaster is endorsing Trump.

    Enter Bill Clinton.

    First, a little education about the conservative position on ObamaCare. Here is what I’ve screamed from the highest mountains for the past eight years in thousands of commentaries, media appearances and four books:

    A) ObamaCare is a disaster for America.

    B) It’s a nightmare for middle class Americans.

    C) It’s a tragedy for small business.

    D) While poor people thinks it’s hunky dory because they get it for free (who doesn’t like free stuff?)…middle class Americans are getting hosed. Their premiums, co-pays, deductibles are doubling, tripling, even quadrupling. It’s unaffordable and unsustainable. It’s turning middle class people into poor people dependent on government to survive.

    E) Not only are premiums exploding, nothing is covered. Because of ObamaCare, health insurance no longer pays for anything.

    F) Because it’s bankrupting 28 million small businesses, it’s killing lots and lots of middle class jobs.

    G) Because no one has any money left after paying for ObamaCare bills and taxes, it’s killing consumer spending and the entire U.S. economy. This is precisely why GDP is close to zero.

    Not one Democratic politician anywhere in America either understands or is willing to admit any of this. Until now.

    Guess who now agrees with me that ObamaCare is a disaster? Former President Bill Clinton.

    You know, the guy married to Hillary.

    Bill Clinton announced it publicly just days ago in a speech in Michigan.

    Bill summed up everything I’ve been saying and writing for eight long, lonely years. I guess he’s been reading my books. Here are Bill’s words:

    “You’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care, and then the people who are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half and it’s the craziest thing in the world.”

    “On the other hand, the current system works fine if you’re eligible for Medicaid, if you’re a lower-income working person. If you’re already on Medicare or if you get enough subsidies on a modest income that you can afford your health care.”

    “But the people getting killed in this deal are the small-business people and individuals who make just a little bit too much to get any of these subsidies.”


    That sounded like it came straight from my book “Angry White Male.” I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    Bill Clinton just validated and vindicated all the conservative critics of ObamaCare. He just admitted that everything I have ever said about what ObamaCare was -- and is -- correct.

    Now, keep in mind that Hillary thinks ObamaCare is fantastic. She thinks it’s working just fine, with a few little tweaks. She thinks it should be dramatically expanded. She wants to raise taxes even higher. She wants more regulations. And she thinks the economy is hunky dory and we are on the verge of a great economic expansion.

    Which brings up two very important questions:

    Do Bill and his wife even speak to each other?

    Who is Bill Clinton campaigning for?

    I feel your pain, Bill. It’s almost as if he’s a POW blinking his eyes in Morse Code. He’s trying to tell us all something.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/10/04/thank-bill-clinton-for-endorsing-donald-trump.html
     
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2016
  11. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    Sorry, Slick Willie, you said what you said... and you can't backtrack it. Yes, Obamacare is "crazy" and people are having their "premiums doubled" and their "coverage cut in half". It's all true. Democrats will never live this down. NEVER.

    GO TRUMP!


    Trump campaign: Bill Clinton is doing a great job for us


    October 5, 2016

    Donald Trump’s team says Bill Clinton is a terrific surrogate — for them.

    “President Bill Clinton is our best surrogate,” Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway said Wednesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

    “We’re thinking of having him in the spin room with us in St. Louis,” Conway added, referring to the location of next week’s presidential debate.

    Conway was referring to Clinton earlier this week calling ObamaCare — President Obama’s signature legislative achievement — “the craziest thing in the world.”

    “You’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care and then the people that are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half,” Clinton said.

    But by Wednesday morning, Clinton was backtracking, professing his strong support for the health care law.

    “I strongly supported that bill. It’s given more than 20 million people insurance and it’s repealed the most insidious thing that affected millions of families — the pre-existing condition (provision). But there are problems with it. And everybody knows it,” he said.

    Clinton said he doesn’t agree with Republicans who want to repeal ObamaCare and take away insurance from some 20 million people — and maintained that his wife can fix it by expanding eligibility or having another public option.

    “Insurance doesn’t work well for health care. The company that writes property and casualty and life insurance, it’s all much more predictable with much bigger pools and much less variation. In health care, virtually all the costs are claimed every year by 20 percent of us and it’s a shifting 20 percent. We got to fix that. But it’s all doable. It’s a question of whether you believe we’re better in this election lashing off in anger or embracing answers,” he said.

    http://nypost.com/2016/10/05/trump-campaign-bill-clinton-is-doing-a-great-job-for-us/
     
  12. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Maybe Bill is trying to cost Hillary the election?
     

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