Anyone drive a Toyota?

The only thing I have to say to that is that you might want to stick to the 9/11 thing. It is easier to sell.

 

Truth is the truth. Give the situation another month or two. It's a scam and an attempt to make Toyota pull out of America. Mark it down and wait and see.

 

So you are saying Tom that no car could possibly have such system failures unless they have been comprimised in some fashion (Industrial sabotage)

 

Care to wager on that?

 

I'm saying that the system failures could NOT have happened in the fashion they are describing. What system failure do you conclude that might have failed? The brakes? Of course brakes can fail. It's just not logical in all of these claimed cases. You want to say the electronics somehow failed? Seems a reasonable conclusion. But, say the electronics failed somehow and cause constant acceleration. Ok. So then the brakes either failed completely or the engine overpowered the brake system every time. Again...a lawnmower engine over powering the brakes. Not logical. Let's say electronics somehow prevented the brakes from engaging (which it couldn't, but let's say). Nobody thought of putting it into neutral or was it locked in neutral too? You couldn't turn off the ignition? Some of these cases the supposed victims rode around long enough to not only dodge in and out of any traffic, but called 911 and engaged in conversation for 10, fifteen, or twenty minutes? Nobody thought to try neutral or shutting the damn thing off?
Yes...either the events didn't happen the way they are being described or there was some sort of sabotage. The fact that they can't reproduce it speaks volumes. With youtube, and the rest of the internet, and the advent of video recording capability from cellphones to simple digital cameras..SOMEONE would be able to post something in the way of video evidence to support it conclusively. But to have such a video would subject it to scrutiny, which exposes the jig.
Yes...it is deliberate sabotage IF it happened.

 

Wager?? ABSOLUTELY. What do you have in mind??

 

That depends, do you want to keep it friendly?

 

What would you call friendly?

 

$100

 

Oh, come on. Tom would have to work like 18 hrs to come up with that kind of money...and if he spent that much time at work, away from the computer, what would all of his conspiracy-craving chat room buddies do? They need their leader!

 

I'd work 18 hours every day for free Thats a Uncalled for comment Tom

 

Then who would you argue with? I guess it wouldn't matter since all you would have time to do is work and sleep. Would it kill you to admit that you love to argue with us as much as we enjoy arguing with you?

 

What I enjoy is pointing highlighting hypocrisy and they stuffed shirt mental patients that try to manipulate society for their benefit. The idiots that think whatever works for them should work for everybody. Several such mental patients occupy this forum. The only thing I love are my wife and kid, and other miscellaneous members of my family. The rest of the rather sick segment of corporate society I detest.
Oh and I love my dogs, my coins and my future green Corvette.

 

Corvette? I hope that is a joke I missed. Such an elitist, rich man's automobile? Sickening. You might as well just go spit on a homeless person. Or light your $100 cigars with $20 bills. No one should be able to even own a Corvette. It is totally unnecessary, extravagant and a slap in the face to all the less fortunate in our country. Not to mention a global warming causing juggernaut.

 

Sorry. Let me rephrase. I'd work 18 hours a day for free if...I could be guaranteed the elitist and corporate management would work right there beside me for the same amount, or be guaranteed the mega wealthy be required to experience the same deprivations, hardships, and employers be required to live off of what they pay their lowest paid employees, spend time with their families no more than the same frequency of time they allow their employees, and force them to the exact same circumstances they subject their employees to. Perhaps then we might see a different attitude from the wealthy in this country.

 

It is a dream, not a reality. One that I'm sure will never come to pass, as the corporate profiteers will never allow such a thing unless I am willing to "play ball", that is, rape, pilfer, or otherwise extract something from some other person's expense. People that paly by the rules are dead and gone. All that is currently left are corporate rapists and their scared sheep, of which I am neither.

 

I am sure all situations are different and all people are different but, for me, I have been management and I have been the worker. I prefer being the worker.

 

With that I would agree. To be management, you have to get in bed with other rapists. Throwing morality out the window equates to successful management. Kill or be killed I guess you could say. Successfull management has little problem killing other's livlihoods. They've already dismissed it as "business". Sounds less damaging and they have something else to blame their
complicit immoral behavior on.

 

For me, it was the extra work, the extra time, motivating the unmotivated, being responsible for 10 or 15 people's screw ups instead of just my own, the paperwork, training the untrained, the meetings, dealing with the next level of management, the extra stress, etc, etc, etc. Personally, I wouldn't stay in a situation like what you sound like you deal with either. Even if it meant taking less money or re-locating (I've done both), I'd be looking for something different. I prefer to be happy rather than wealthy. But, like I said...each job and each person is different. And I am sure some people get both but, if it that is not possible, I know which I choose.

 

See, there are no guarantees. You work hard, do a good job & hope you get rewarded, right? What's the alternative? Sitting around moaning & groaning about what the other guy has?
I'll admit, I don't work anywhere near the hours I worked when I was younger but we call that "paying your dues". I once worked the 12,15,18 hours per day, travelled, brought work home, etc but I'm reaping the rewards now. I'll defend my employer too. Maybe he only "works" a few hours a day but he lives the business 24/7...it's his name on the sign, it's his money on the line...he may not be in the office as much but I can leave the work at work, he can't. Remember that.