anti-Muslim statements without proof

I thought I was one until someone really P*SSED ME OFF.

 

Am I??? Check this out:

An Islamic guide on how to beat your wife By Isambard Wilkinson

LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH September 29, 2005

MADRID -- An imam who wrote a book on how to beat your wife without leaving marks on her body has been ordered by a judge in Spain to study the country's constitution.

The judge told Mohamed Kamal Mustafa, imam of a mosque in the southern resort of Fuengirola, to spend six months studying three articles of the constitution and the universal declaration of human rights.

Mr. Mustafa was sentenced to 15 months in jail and fined about $2,600 last year after being found guilty of inciting violence against women.

A judge released him after 22 days in jail on the condition that he undertake a re-education course. The Spanish government has set up a commission to find ways for the Muslim community to regulate itself. A central recommendation is that imams speak Spanish and have a basic knowledge of human rights and Spanish law.

In his book "Women in Islam," published four years ago, Mr. Mustafa wrote that verbal warnings followed by a period of sexual inactivity could be used to discipline a disobedient wife.

If that failed, he argued that, according to Islamic law, beatings could be judiciously administered. "The blows should be concentrated on the hands and feet using a rod that is thin and light so that it does not leave scars or bruises on the body," he wrote.

Mr. Mustafa's lessons, which he must pay for, will be taught by teachers from Malaga University.

According to La Vanguardia newspaper, he will have to study articles 10, 14 and 15 of the constitution. The first two address "the dignity of a person and inviolable rights" and states "all Spaniards are equal before the law."

The third one states "the moral and physical integrity of a person in no case can be submitted to torture nor inhuman or degrading punishments or treatment."

Just more muslims reading the Koran for what it is and helping other muslims learn to beat their wives based from what the prophet mohammad wrote. You can kiss this translation right here buddy!!

Koran 4:34 The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.

Make perfect sense to me...and obviously it makes sense to other "peaceful loving" muslims!! I wonder why the N.O.W. gang is not screaming about this.

 

Midas I really thought you might have something when I saw the "Am I??? Check this out". But you just showed me another wacko Muslim. OK already I admit that SOME Muslims are wacko, that is not what I am talking about here. All I ask is that you read an impartial article or two on Koran translation.

 

Don't know if this guy wrote this description of the Qur'an or not, but one of their gang put it out over the internet:

The Qur'an ("Qor-Ann") is a Message from Allah to humanity. It was transmitted to us in a chain starting from the Almighty Himself (swt) to the angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad (saas). This message was given to the Prophet (saas) in pieces over a period spanning approximately 23 years (610 CE to 622 CE). The Prophet (saas) was 40 years old when the Qur'an began to be revealed to him, and he was 63 when the revelation was completed. The language of the original message was Arabic, but it has been translated into many other languages. (I underlined this part)

The Qur'an is one leg of two which form the basis of Islam. The second leg is the Sunnah of the Prophet (saas). What makes the Qur'an different from the Sunnah is primarily its form. Unlike the Sunnah, the Qur'an is quite literally the Word of Allah, whereas the Sunnah was inspired by Allah but the wording and actions are the Prophet's. The Qur'an has been expressed using words, letter for letter fixed by no one but Allah.

Prophet Muhammad (saas) was the final Messenger of Allah to humanity, and therefore the Qur'an is the last Message which Allah has sent to us. Its predecessors such as the Torah, Psalms, and Gospels have all been superceded. It is an obligation - and blessing - for all who hear of the Qur'an and Islam to investigate it and evaluate it for themselves. Allah has guaranteed that He will protect the Qur'an from human tampering, and today's readers can find exact copies of it all over the world. The Qur'an of today is the same as the Qur'an revealed to Muhammad (saas).

There you are, right from the horses mouth, so to speak! Now!:whistle:
Being the linguist that he claims to be, these passages are just for Danr:

1. Bismi Allahi alrrahmani alrraheemi

2. Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena

3. Alrrahmani alrraheemi

4. Maliki yawmi alddeeni

5. Iyyaka naAAbudu wa-iyyaka nastaAAeenu

6. Ihdina alssirata almustaqeema

7. Sirata allatheena anAAamta AAalayhim ghayri almaghdoobi AAalayhim wala alddalleena

You guys let me know how Danr does with this little challange, as I don’t read any of his BS any longer.:thumb:

 

Great work OldDan...I love seeing a person's lame argument collapse all over himself. It is almost as funny as seeing a terrorist set himself on fire:

 

I will have to get on Wikipedia (where this came from) and change it. Remember Wikipedia articles are literally written by JUST ANYONE. As a matter of fact maybe Midas wrote this.
this wiki article is more accurate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_of_the_Qur'an


From a "notes on translation" statement:

The Quran in English: with cautionary points to consider. Those who have tried to translate the Quran from its Arabic original have found it impossible to express the same wealth of ideas with a limited number of words in the new language. Comparing any translation with the original Arabic is like comparing a thumbnail sketch with the natural view of a splendid landscape rich in color, light and shade, and sonorous in melody. Scanty knowledge of classical Arabic would deprive anyone from appreciating the different shades of meaning rendered by the occasionally slightly different declensions of Arabic words.
"No man has ever played on that deep-toned instrument with such power, such boldness and such range of emotional effects." "To anyone who has not heard the sonorous majesty of an Arab reciting the Quran, it is impossible to convey what the Book lacks in English, French or German."

from a Phd (expert) on the subject:
"NO translation can give the full meaning of the Koran - the comprehensive meaning, the wisdom and the facts, the harmony and the music of the words," says Dr Hassan Alkatib, vice-chairman of Leeds Grand Mosque, after a typical Friday lunchtime service there. But he continues: "The Koran is a divine book of guidance, revealed to the Prophet Muhammad in Arabic. So it has to be translated into English for non-Arabic people to understand it."

 

Well isn't that special?? You have millions of radical muslims that act, bomb, rape and kill because of a "translation" problem. Maybe they are too stupid to read. That makes more sense than what you are suggesting.

I don't buy it. Civilized people don't buy this nonsense. Their ACTIONS prove my point. Anybody with a quarter of a brain wouldn't buy your "translation" excuse for their behavior (action). Why don't you admit that the passages I outlined over and over again are what they are!! They can't be ALL misunderstood, can they? Well, according to Danr, the answer is yes! The only rational for Danr's argument is that he must be a muslim trying to counter every point and document I layed out. Are you Danr? Becaus if you are a muslim, at least I know what I am dealing with. Then I would tell you to "jihad this buddy, right here and now!"

Meanwhile, as you defend these people, another bombing takes place, another killing takes place, another beating takes place because it is allah's will.

Go ahead and line up all of the islamic Phd's you want so they can tell the world they are a "religion of peace". Just as they complete their lie in front of a CNN camera, "BOOM!!, another person dies in the name of islamic jihad.

 

For all of you (especially Danr) who would like to read all this jibberish for them selves, here is the source of my post:
CLICK HERE
This should put to rest the assumption that the Qur'an can not be translated. (as all fools know, but one!). By the way, notice the corrrect spelling of the word "Qur'an", which our 'closet' arab spells as "Quran". No wonder he thinks it can't be understood, he can't even spell it properly!:whistle:

 

OK Two embasies in Flames & we have had demonstrations on the strrets of London all due to a few cartoons!! Just how insecure a religion is this when it cant take something as simple as this?

De Orc :headbang: :headbang:

 

Great Point, Great Point indeed there De Orc. :high5: :high5: :high5:

Bone

 

This is a direct quote from your link, it appears to say (surprise surprise) that the Qur'an can not be translated:
"
Translations of the Qur'an
On this Web site, there are three translations of the Qur'an. Note that any translation of the Qur'an immediately ceases to be the literal word of Allah, and hence cannot be equated with the Qur'an in its original Arabic form. In fact, each of the translations on this site is actually an interpretation which has been translated. The first-time reader is strongly advised to read the introduction to the translations we have made available.
"
As for my spelling I went with the spelling commonly used in this Forum as a courtesy.

 

"NO translation can give the full meaning of the Koran - the comprehensive meaning, the wisdom and the facts, the harmony and the music of the words," says Dr Hassan Alkatib, vice-chairman of Leeds Grand Mosque, after a typical Friday lunchtime service there. But he continues: "The Koran is a divine book of guidance, revealed to the Prophet Muhammad in Arabic. So it has to be translated into English for non-Arabic people to understand it."
Danr

You are buying into this BS that every other language can be translated but not Arabic for Arabic is a divine language whose divinity can not be understood without knowing it.

Well if you want to speak middle eastern all I have to say is put some sand in your mouth as you speak for that will give it its proper harshness. You are becoming nothing more Danr then a spokesman for terrorism.

 

You have to note though that the book was in classical arabic when written which goes actually back to the time of mecca which is called now saudi arabia. Also note that most of the society today use modern standard arabic. There is also dozens of other dialects for this language.

So was that translation using the proper dialect. That is where issues arise because of course the people that are anti islam are going to use the dialect that most suits them.


Key word here being propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Guess OldDan's thread made no sense to some of the bleeding hearts in the forum. Where my side presents passage verse, chapter, news bulletin, and documentation, the loser side calls it propagnada...or bad translations.

How convenient.

If you are going to defend islam, you might as well defend Nazism. Thank God those that defended nazism were in the the tiny minority and we did what was right back then...which was to destory and kill as many of the enemy as possible. That is how you win wars...you kill the bad guys and destroy their buildings.

Now we are faced with an enemy that is just as fanantic, if not worst than the nazis who believe killing us will grant them eternal salvation...plus 72 virgins!

BTW...there has to be a virgin shortage with all of the jihad terrorist heading to see allah, wouldn't you think??

Kill them or be killed. Obviously you made your choice.

 

Midas lol

First off my statement about propaganda is directed to those that take info and bend it to their will to suit them when it is far from what is actually said. Not once did I say your info you provided is propaganda or even give an opinion on your info.

You know that both sides use propaganda. USA is notorious for using it. All nations somehow use it so your first statement isnt valid. What one said calls new, bullitins and documentation does not mean that they are FACT. Some may be but sometimes it isnt so again that then is propaganda.

I also didnt take a side on that book translation but just made a comment that could be very true. It may or may not be. Also there always seems to be three sides. The ones that think they are so damn right and always call names and are for it, the ones that took a side are agasint it and then the side that post info objectively without taking a side. For some reason the later is a bleeding heart or a pacifist or some name because one of the sides is ****y that they did not take a side lol. Like calling me names is going to get me to take a side. Also if anything it would make me take the opposite side.

I also know you don't read my threads completely or even pay attention. I have reason to think this because twice you made bad references to the ibm issue i brought up. 1. being sold teh typewrites and 2. sold them teh gun. But meantime your examples did not even come close to the ibm issue in which I stated clearly witha quote that nothing was sold to hitler. It was leased and their was a secondary company doing the work for hitler that where part of IBM

There is a huge difference there.

So I ask that you please read my threads before posting.

 

Just as a side note here a little bit of trivia if you like LOL there was a Muslim Division in the Waffen SS it saw a lot of service in the Balkans. amd the person responsible for it's inception was the Muffti of Jerusalem

De Orc

 

????? That makes no sense.