Anti-Bush Dissent thread

I stand corrected. I forgot what it exactly was called. It was simple. You turn 18 and fill out the forms at your local post office and hand them over. It still is the law!

 

It is now. When I was 18, there was no registering for either the draft or the selective service (selective service? Oh yeah. That trip to the post office) Have you moved since you where 18? The back ups.

Background of Selective Service

For more than 50 years, Selective Service and the registration requirement for America's young men have served as a backup system to provide manpower to the U.S. Armed Forces.
President Franklin Roosevelt signed the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 which created the country's first peacetime draft and formally established the Selective Service System as an independent Federal agency.
From 1948 until 1973, during both peacetime and periods of conflict, men were drafted to fill vacancies in the armed forces which could not be filled through voluntary means.
In 1973, the draft ended and the U.S. converted to an All-Volunteer military.
The registration requirement was suspended in April 1975. It was resumed again in 1980 by President Carter in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Registration continues today as a hedge against underestimating the number of servicemen needed in a future crisis.
The obligation of a man to register is imposed by the Military Selective Service Act. The Act establishes and governs the operations of the Selective Service System.
Well, I’ll be danged!

 

Danr, I have sat back and bit my lip as I read your rediculous posts. These forums and your posts have now just became a game that you use to stir up the pot no matter what the subject for your own entertainment. This makes for interesting and entertaining reading but as you sit there and laugh I hope you realize that from now on no one will be able to take anything you post seriously. You by your own keyboard have in reality became the court jester, town clown, the forum fool or whatever you should be called. I picked-up on your senseless ravings and your intentions from the beginning and thankfully with the help of the ignore feature I have been able to save myself the company of your ignorance.

Thanks Stu Joe for quoting Danr or I might have missed his latest bit of comic relief.

 

Are you saying that people in the military are in danger during those long decades between our brief conflicts?

 

[QUOTE='Ol Silver]Danr, I have sat back and bit my lip as I read your rediculous posts. These forums and your posts have now just became a game that you use to stir up the pot no matter what the subject for your own entertainment. This makes for interesting and entertaining reading but as you sit there and laugh I hope you realize that from now on no one will be able to take anything you post seriously. You by your own keyboard have in reality became the court jester, town clown, the forum fool or whatever you should be called. I picked-up on your senseless ravings and your intentions from the beginning and thankfully with the help of the ignore feature I have been able to save myself the company of your ignorance.

Thanks Stu Joe for quoting Danr or I might have missed his latest bit of comic relief.[/QUOTE]

Apparently you have little or no connection with reality. Entire years go by without any military deaths (aside from natural causes). It is a rare occosion when this nation engages in serious conflict.
I have no idea where you get this notion that military work is (on the whole) dangerous. it is a wacko idea.
:headbang: :headbang:

 

The hostility direct toward me on this is a natural reaction to having your belief system shattered. Sorry I had to do it but it is just sad to read the thoughts of such delusional people.

 

Are you saying that military people are never in danger except when there is a declared war?

You might want to do some research on what has been going on in the world outside of Iraq and before the Bush administration. I know it is tough to focus outside your small sphere of hate but you really do need to expand a bit in your knowledge of what really goes on in the word. Think of all the hate that is out there to explore!

And BTW, as a further map to getting off the road of your movie mentality, John Wayne Green Beret stuff that you showed off in a different post, you might also want to take a look at who is driving and protecting the convoys in Iraq. Hint, It Ain't John Wayne.

 

All should read this...

http://cbftw.blogspot.com/

 

Not during time of war= deaths in the dozens or statistically NIL.

 

Oh so you come out to attack the character of the military and then you put down those who respond.
I guess people with life experience and from that life experience can see with clear and seasoned eyes the greatest danger to the American way of life means nothing.
Yet I would not be surprised if you think a college professor who never left the county except for maybe a club med type of vacation, who never served their nation and who for the most part never had a life outside of the school enviroment would be a respected expert on C-Span or lecture hall.

Midas, I am still laughing over that Batman thread.

Danr, for the last time there is never a peace time, just times that America is so protected that there seems to be peace and there are men in and out of uniform who are guarding the wall, towing the line, forming the picket fence, in harms way, what ever you want to call it they are exposing themselves to more then a paper cut. Never mind just putting on a uniform could get a soldier tortured and killed in a plane hijacking when he is the passenger, get soldiers blown up for having a drink in a bar in germany, etc....
In addition, training kills. Planes crash, helicopters stall, heart attacks happen, sailors occassionally fall off ship,(sorry navy guys , etc...

But you and others instead of being thankful that others took to the calling deride those who served.
Could it be an envy, or could it just be plain anti-americanism. For what better target then to attack those who keep this nation standing.

 

Andy, Andy, Andy...You cut me to the quick. I really don't want to get into a belly bumping contest about who has more life experience than whom. It would be pointless and I'm just not into that type of testosterone ****ing contest. I'm just glad that you feel that you have an abundance of life experience. It can only make you a wiser and better informed person.

BTW The last vacation I took was about two and a half years ago in East Africa (you only get a sabbatical every 7 years). My entire family and I were in and around Nairobi for two weeks and toured the bombed American Embassy there. My family and I also flew into Mombassa at the same airport that an Israeli passenger plane was shot at by Al Qaeda when the Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were hit. I didn't notice any club meds in East Africa. Hell, they don't even have McDonalds there. I spent the next six months in Europe in several different countries. I have been to the twin tower site in New York as well. But go ahead assume you've been there and done that.

 

I think Danr's posts have been misunderstood, either by me or by a lot of other people, but I don't think he's bashing soldiers. I think he's pointing out that this nation requires many different people to keep standing.

Let's face it, fishermen fall of boats, contruction workers fall off structures, production workers lose limbs, accountants have heart attacks, hunters get shot by our vice president, taxi drivers get mugged, and so forth... And all of these people do their part to keep a strong country established, so they are all worthy of respect - and quite often they don't get it.

But I don't want to speak for anyone, so if he was going in a different direction, like I said, it could be me that has misunderstood.

 

I wish you were right Rick but he has never said anything bad against any accountants, etc but he repeatly made posts on our soldiers being tortures, murders, and our military being terrorists. He has gone out of his way to attack the honor of the men and women of this nation and he has gone out of his way to attack the memory of those who died so others may live in "peace".

Moen, as you now I was talking in general terms and as you know most people in the academic world only lived in the academic world. That was there path as student and then from there as student assistant,associate professor, professor etc.. you know more about the terms then I. Yes there are the exceptions but I am speaking of the majority and my information on that would be based upon the college descriptions of department staff and their background that one gets when applying for various programs or when asked for money.
I actually like most of your posts even with those I disagree with but I do frown down when I feel that you are taking a point not because you believe in it but because it is part of a larger point that you wish to push. I never agreed with the concept/tactic of bashing a truth to try to push an agenda.

 

I was just pointing out that there are many types of service not just military. Then everyone started saying that military "put their lives on the line" and I responded that there are far more dangerous forms of service and the danger of military work is usually exaggerated. This had the odd effect of causing many posters to go into a completely unreasonable mode. This is understandable since their entire belief systems are based on gross distortions (pretty pitiful really).

 

Perhaps you should reread your own posts for better comprehension of what you stated in your writings and it is amazing how in trying to make yourself out to be an innocent lamb you take a cheap shot at others.

 

Be honest Andy, people here are exaggerating the danger of military work and this does tie into a distorted world view where people see all military work as John Wayne style Iwo Jima stuff.

 

Tsk, tsk, tsk.. Pity the foolish.

Danr, you have to hold the record on these forums for being quoted the most!

 

[QUOTE='Ol Silver]Tsk, tsk, tsk.. Pity the foolish.

Danr, you have to hold the record on these forums for being quoted the most![/QUOTE]
I believe that is exactly how most 'Masochists' get their jollies!

 

Got any stats?

Even if there was never war, most of the jobs on the most dangerous lists I have seen have military counterparts. For instance:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/26/pf/jobs_jeopardy/index.htm

2 Aircraft pilots
Yep, Military has those.

4 Structural iron and steel workers
Yep, Military has those.

5 Refuse and recyclable material collectors
Yep, Military has those.

7 Roofers
Yep, Military has those.

8 Electrical power line installers/repairers
Yep, Military has those.

9 Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
Yep, Military has those.

10 Taxi drivers and chauffeurs
Yep, Military has those.

You also might want to look up the actual definition of danger. You don't have to actually die or even be injured to be in danger or have a dangerous job. Russian Roulette is dangerous even if you win.

 

Like alluded to before, your original point is pretty sound but when you got off into the 7-11 danger and the military being as dangerous as a paper cut, you veered into illogical territory based upon what appears to be a very black and white, hollywood view of the world. Then you compounded the problem using faulty data leading to some pretty boneheaded conclusions that you seem destined to try and justify to the end.

If your premise had only been "there are many types of service not just military" I would have agreed completely and never would have even bothered to enter the thread.