Anti-Bush Dissent thread

Well, I will give my 8th grade son credit Midas, he understands things a lot more than you appear to. You think a recruiter should be thanked for visiting a middle school and making kids believe soldierin' is just like GI Joe, but for reals, dude!

That sounds about your speed. Shoot, I bet you would be a great recruiter - you can war propogandize with the best of them.

I guess I still don't understand why a man who believes in war so much never joined the military - I think you had some excuse, but I can't remember what it was... lazy eye or some such. [sarcasm] SHOOT! and you really wanted to die for our country, too! darn the luck! [/sarcasm]

Well, Midas, I guess since you had some uncles and stuff that served in war times, it's ok that you're a blatant racist. I mean, how else can you honor them, right?

Next, I bet you can make fun of the physically chalenged, because your cousin is in a wheelchair, maybe?

 

In 1978, I registered for the draft. You may remember...there was no war going on. Went to college. Make no mistake, if there was a war going on, I would have fought...proudly. What say you...

Meon, I agree...we send our soldiers to clear a building as islamic terrorists are shooting at them when we should just take a M1 Abrams and level it...with the terrorists inside. Why should we put our troops in this danger?

If islamic terrorists are using a shrine or mosque to call out jihad and harbor terrorists and weapons...I say level it! Make it a parking lot!

We are fighting "too nice". The faster we kill these radicals and destroy their buildings that harbor them, the better it is for ALL of us. Get in...do the job...Get out! The only thing we ask (or have EVER asked) is for enough land to bury our dead...as we have in other wars.



BTW, other than going after islamic rag heads, please demonstrate what other cultures and/or religions I have been racist to here in this forum? Please site me ONE example. I go after these islamic animals because it took me 30 years to realize that these people are what they are...the enemy of the free world. Also, did you tell your son that soldiers like him are killing babies?

 

well wait a second... there have been lots of opportunities to serve your country from 78 to about 88 or so, which would have made you a ripe age to join up and serve your country. Besides, didn't the recruiters come and talk to you when you were in high school or were their offices just too hard to find so you ended up signing up for college by accident?

I guess it wasn't such a wise idea to you, huh? Just other people, or other peoples kids. You get the tough job of 'supporting' them. DARN IT!

And I'm not going to sit back here and justify how you are racist. Read your own posts, the tone of every message that involves hispanics - mexicans in particular - or blacks or Japanese and yes, far more blatantly, middle easterners. I would be willing to wager that every single one of these posts involves generalities based completely on your limited exposure, negative indications involving welfare, unemployment, system-bucking, criminal activity, or just blatant slurs.

 

I almost joined the Marines but went to college instead. A good friend went into the Marines and ended up in that first gulf war thing (VERY UNCOMFORTABLE!!) but his time in the Philippines was fun (so he says).

 

Yeah, I went to college, too... I guess guys like us weaken America.

 

Good point dog. I can say that out of my family, including myself, I have or had, 1 ACW, 2 WWI, 7 WWII (2 POW), 1 Korean, and 3 peace time Vets (that I know of). All that I had the pleasure of talking to are or were VERY proud of their service and NEVER had anything negative to say about being sent to war or their duty to their country. If gung-ho was the word, then they were it and as far as racial slurs, they voiced plenty of doozies!

I don't think recruiters trick our youth into joining the military. My recruiter was honest, up-front and the experience was everything he said it would be. It was MY decision to make, I knew the possibility of having to go to war, but I made it anyway because I wanted and needed help and I do thank him for helping me change my life. Remember, we are not always at war. During peacetime the military can be a very rewarding experience and help young people get college educations that they would not be able to get otherwise. I read a previous post concerning the quality of people the military gets. I will say that when I was serving I saw many VERY mis-guided people (myself included) come through but when most of them left they were mature, resourceful and respected adults and I see NOTHING wrong with that and I salute the military for this guidance.

Rick, please don't accuse Midas of speaking for us veterans. You seem to be doing the same thing.
Let's all walk in each others shoes first, then we'll go down that path.

 

I don't think that I have attempted to speak for anyone save myself. I have pointed out that there are many veterans who do not wish to talk about their war experiences - so it would be quite hard to know anything about the 'vast majority' from personal encounters.

In many case studies, this has proven true. Many veterans do not feel pride in concern to their actions in war. Many do not boast about their confirmed kills - and would rather that number didn't exist. Many never recover from their experience in a psychological manner. That is fact. To say it isn't true is like denying thousands and thousands of case files that have been studied at great length.

 

This is absolutely true. I also think that most war veterans are subdued by their war experiences, but not psychologically damaged. I think the same is generally true of old people versus young people. I suppose war simply accelerates the aging process. I have only met a few guys that bragged about killing people, and I believe that they were legitimately disturbed. Regardless, I think most "whacked out" vets were whacked out civilians before they even entered the military.

 

You're right but as a vet, it saddens me to see people obsessed with the negative aspects of military service and seem to be blind to the positive ones. Even though we are at war and it may seem so, but the military isn't all about confirmed kills and death. I'll be truthfull. When I enlisted I was an alley dwelling drug addict on a straight path to hell but, thanks to the Air Force I came out clean, mature and had a supervisor level education and I maintain a superintendant level position to this day. To be honest, the military not only guided me in the right direction but probably saved my life

 

See. This is how you get sidetracked. Like in your first example with the 7-11 clerk. You tried to prove that a Corvette is slower than a Mustang by racing 10 Mustangs, listing their times from fastest to slowest and saying "Look! The Corvette didn't even make the list! So obviously the Corvette is slower."

100% Flawed reasoning. Sorry but that is a fact. All I did was show you how fast the Corvette could do the same race and where it would fall on the list.

 

I'm sorry - if I come across as anti-military, I really don't mean to. I'm not, and I think it just sounds that way because of the discussion at hand.

Both of you make excellent points. QD, you're right. The ones that came out a little off, probably either went in a little off, or would have ended up that way even without service in war. No way to tell, and that was something I really didn't consider.

The military offers a lot - no doubt about it, it can (and does) do a lot of people good in their lives. This is particularly true in times of peace, when the risk of life is significantly less, and people can learn civilian based skills.

I am not anti-military, I am anti-war - and a point I have been trying to make all along is that I do not harbor that distaste on the soldier. I place it where it belongs - on the war. I don't think it deserves our soldier's lives.

 

Did you say the "tone" of my posts?



Key of E please...

 

Let's just say that 'some of you' sure as heck don't do us any good either!

 

Unless you are talking about a very narrow slice of the military like Airborne Rangers, Seals, or Green Barrets you are incorrect.

 

Nice.

Wrong, but nice.

 

If that were only so!

 

After all the facts and figures, with links to them, and analogies and everything else showing the total flaw in your logic, I think you are just intentionally playing at being ignorant at this point. So I will drop it and let you wander around with the wrong map again.

 

There is no possible way that you are still holding to the absurd notion that military work is dangerous are you? That would be beyond comprehension. The overwhelming amount of military work entails only the danger of a paper cut!! if you disag the above mentioned special forces there were basically no deaths for years on end in the military!

 

Yep. You win. Impeccible logic as always. Love the data you provide to back up your conclusions. Nice touch. No flaws to be found there, that is for sure. Good links too so they can be checked. Congrats.

 

You registered with the selective service...there wasn't, and still isn't, a draft to register with.