Anti-Bush Dissent thread

I saw Clerks... funny dialogue, but I didn't get the part about playing hockey on the roof.

 

This was the response by Danr when I asked him how was Bush a terrorist. If one reads the whole statement you will see that he is also alluding to the United States as being a terrorist nation.

I Palandrome and others who may have not read the whole thread. We have a poster here who is not just attacking Bush but has accusing the United States of being a terrorist nation and our army being nothing more then gloryfied murderers and torturers. It is a theme he has played out in thread after thread.

 

You mean welcome to Orwellville.

 

All this inane chatter about which job is as dangerous as being in the military and which job has the most deaths and which job is and isn't serving your country is all just double-speak for the real issue here which is that some people who service in the military think that they are more patriotic, more American, and better citizens than the anyone who hasn't been in the military. It doesn't matter to them if all they did was clean toilets for 4 years and come out and get a job at Wal-mart cleaning toilets, there are those that think that they are the "better" Americans because they enlisted. The fact is that the military is the last option for some of these folks and in many cases the only option. Many haven't finished high school and some have criminal records. The National Guardsman are an obvious exception and have been dragged into a war against the wishes of many state governments. Point is, that the military gives some of these kids something to be proud of for four years of their lives and then they return home and live off of the past. I can accept that but I can't accept that they have some how been transformed into better Americans than everyone else in the process. Well, outside of their own minds anyway.

 

Moen do not ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. This land our nation is defended by those who actually believe in the words of President Kennedy by those who believe in the Pledge of Alligance, "and justice for all", who believe that some things are worth risking your life for. Most People join hoping that they do not see combat but are willing to go if needed. Most People join up hoping not to get wounded or killed but are willing to take that risk. Now if you want to join the mindset that bashes the individual who does put it on the line so your wife's college can remain open then that is sad. Just try to remember that the person you have bashed be it discharged or active duty did place his or her life on hold and on the line so that this nation can remain free. Freedom is not free it is paid for by the years given up and the blood spilled by your fellow American who did get his high school diploma or college degree and served with pride.

 

I am not the unpatriotic one you are!!
I'm rubber you are glue bounces off me and sticks to you. NA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NA

 

What you have quoted could not be less relevent.

I got this as the first page on google serch for most dangerous jobs (the site is NOT left or right wing)
http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dngrjobs.htm

 

Some do, but you can't actually believe that everyone in the military believes this rhetoric. You sound like a recruitment poster ala soviet style.

I can't think of anybody that wants to be wounded or killed for any reason. Can you?

Well, that's one hellva logical leap. I'll let my wife know that all those people over in Iraq and other places are just doing it to keep her University open. You see, the whole time we believed that it was open to educate students and research stuff...What the heck were we thinkin'?

Again with the recruitment poster rhetoric. Alas, I salute your patriotism and your optimistic, if not polyanna-ish, view of the world. Without true believers like you, we wouldn't have anyone to educate. Thanks!

 

It is about 8 years out of date, though.

 

Lets be honest here guy's for some kid's the Army /Navy etc is the last chance they have of making something of themselfs, we can not disagree with that statement but what we can say is look how the majority of these kids who would have ended up with no education possibly on drugs and in prison turn out. They gain confidence they gain a education and as I say for the most part become very good citizens in the next part of there lives. My Father went into the Army as a young man allways in trouble he use to be a bookies runner as a kid LOL he was allways in trouble aparently but in the Army he learnt to box, and also a trade but most of all he learnt self respect & how to behave in a civalised society.

De Orc

 

I don't think anyone could dispute the fact that many a young lads and lass' have better themselves during and after their stint in one of the fine branches of the American Military Machine...But, are they "better, more patriotic Americans" for doing it than the rest of us, the vast majority of us that haven't served in the military? And what does that mean?

 

I agree! Who the heck brought up all this Most Dangerous 7-11stuff anyway.

Everyone is the hero in their own little story of life. So what? I would be more concerned about someone who didn't think they were a good American and a good citizen rather than those that do.

I have always found the need to tear one group down to make another group look good to be a rather distasteful way to go through life. But, I digress...

You shouldn't accept it. It is not necessarily true. I have been both a 7/11 clerk and a military member. I yam what I yam because of both but that doesn't make me automatically better or worse than anyone else just because of the jobs I have had. There are 7/11 clerks who are great Americans and there are military members who are not. And vice versa. But, I thought we were discussing the "service to the country" aspect of both those jobs. But then again, I kind of got lost after I heard how I was lucky to survive those long night at 7/11.

 

Now here is a sensible post finally. I have friends in the military and they are VERY grateful for the opportunities.

 

Night shift at 7-11 is a dangerous gig, as is high rise window washer. My point was that this criteria of "putting my life on the line" is a PRETTY ARBITRARY measure of one's service to country. I think I have established that and pointed out the gross error in the think of many on this thread.
Unfortunately some get distracted by unimportant details like the date on a webpage I used as a source. The simple fact is that there are many many many jobs more dangerous than military work therefore your criteria is faulty and therefore your thinking is faulty.

 

I would agree that danger is not necesarily a prerequisite for service to your country. The only thing I took exception to was the faulty reasoning used to come to that conclusion. IE: Using flawed statistics to try and prove that the military is not a dagerous job compared to something like 7-11 clerk. You may have had the right destination but you used the wrong map to try and get there.

 

Talk to Vets at your local VFW Post and they will tell you. They are pretty vocal in their views of why we should fight against islamic terrorists. The vast majority of these vets I have met as well as those I see at Vet hospitals do in fact support our government actions...which is in FACT to deploy the military to fight against islamic radicals THERE instead of waiting for these sick animals to attack us HERE. Not all, and no my poll is not scientific, but it doesn't take a Harrris or Gallop poll to determine how vets as far back as WWII and Korea feel about our government's decision to deploy the military to kill islamic terrorists!

So ask me again and again...talk to the vast majority of vets and I am very positive they will agree that our government's decision to fight and kill islamic animals is in fact RIGHT and JUST!...unless you go to the San Francisco area (that is a whole another world in its own!)

Now...if you don't support the war against islamic radicals, then you SURELY don't support the troops that are taking the war to their backyard instead of waiting for these jihad sick animals to attack here. One of my buddy's sons just returned from Iraq and this discussion came up. He stated, "How is it that they (liberals) hate the war and want nothing to do with it?, but then claim they support what I do?"

I told him that your typical "I hate Bush and everything he is had ever done...and will do crowd" wants it BOTH ways. They don't see the war against islamic-dirty-night-shirt-with-Italian-table-cloth-head-animals as necessary (note the racial slur), but don't want to see that they are against the troops either

This Vet replied, "What a bunch of bull ****". I replied, "Exactly...and thanked him for serving." BTW...he is going BACK because he wants to! His mother and dad are not so happy about the idea, but they could never be more so proud of the boy who turned into the man.

As for 10 minutes over 10 days comment. Deploying troops on the ground, air and sea does NOT happen over night. Look how long it took to get our troops over to Kuwait for the first Gulf war. Remember, these islamic terrorists hit and then hide with the other "innocent" muslims. Some muslims are in fact innocent, but many harbor, support, hide, finance and glady chear on their fellow animals. In my book...they are the enemy too!

You think fighting the war against islamic animals is an "insufficient cause". I don't. Islamic jihad terrorists are pouring into Iraq from the likes of Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and other "religion of peace" nations to stop democracy because they know that the rule of islamic law from the 7th Century is the way for ALL of the world. Anything to do with democracy is just evil and totally against their allah. It is their rag-head belief (another slur, just for you) and hence, why they are fighting jihad there.

Well, thank God that we are fighting and killing those S.O.B.'s there...instead of here. Yes I do...I support the war AND I support the troops that are doing everybody a favor by killing these animals and fighting the war against their jihad THERE, instead of HERE.

While you are defending islam and their animals, remember these fundamentist radicals are breeding another generation of islamic radicals...all for islamic domination...See how 'cute" they are as they march in your local towel head parade? I bet their parents are soooooo proud!



For people that don't understand what I mean by my racial slur of "rag-heads", this is for you! This is to help you understand about the type of people I hope our troops are killing:

Well...let me get this straight. the job of our military is to protect and defend the United States. Many times, that will involve killing bad guys and knocking down their buildings. During this process, the bad guys sometime shoot at you. I just wonder how in the freakin' world can you support the troops if you wouldn't let them do their JOB...and yes, part of the job is dealing with animals from the "religion of peace" whereby you have to shoot them first instead of waiting for them to shoot you. Our troops HAVE to go where the enemy is. I just wonder how you 'remove the danger of death' in a war!?!

Now go cry about my post to the moderators in the "Support and Feedback" forum! Boo hoo...sniff, sniff

 

store clerk truck driver high rise window washer are all much more dangerous than military work.

 

Jihad Bomber, SS Stormtrooper, and Kamikaze Pilot are up there too. How come you don't have them on your list?

 

I Like Sanwiches!!!!!!!!!!

 

Alright, I think we can all agree that WhispTech likes sandwiches or possibly sanwiches. Would anyone like to offer a dissenting opinion?