Anti-Bush Dissent thread

[QUOTE='Ol Silver]Amen!

I guess that people can say they serve their country in many ways which may be true to some extent. But, unless you openly risk your life every day in your so-called "serving", then and only then can a person put themselves on a tier of "serving" equal to military service. No person can dispute that with of all these levels of serving your country, the military deserves and earns by their willingness to sacrifice their lives, the place of honor, at the head table.

I'm not jealous and I'm not afraid to say thank you to our military veterans past and present. You deserve our ultimate and highest respect![/QUOTE]I don't know why you choose to honor only those that serve in the military but you do and that is your choice. It just seems to me to be a type of narrowly focused hero worship that is fairly disrespectful of people like policeman that put their lives on the line everyday for decades at a time. People like fireman who die in the line of duty saving children from burning buildings. And don't forget teachers who teach in inner city schools that routinely have weapons thrown in their faces.

Maybe it's just the stars in your eyes that cloud your vision and make you see only that which is glorified by Hollywood. Try broadening your perspective a little to include everyday heroes and those in the trenches of American society that stand as tall as any soldier. The military is fine but unless you plan to move to North Korea, it isn't the whole story.

 

My quick top 10 in order of service to the nation:

1. Police
2. Military
3. Fireman
4. Doctors
5. Teachers
6. Clergy
7. Postal Employes
8. Masonic/Shriners
9. Volunteers
10. Parents (good ones)

Bone

 

Bonedigger...

Love the Kelly's Heros movie line...

Even my boys walk around the house quoting this movie, "Bad vibes man...you again with the bad vibes."

Here's to Odd Ball, Crap Game and all from this great movie...



Remember the end of the movie where Don Rickles' chararacter says, "Go ahead and cut him a deal...maybe he (the German in the tiger tank) is a republican"

 

Yep this wasn't just a random selection

 

I liked the movie but I thought that the dialog was out of sink with WWII slang. But I guess you'd have to ask someone that was there. Hey Dan?

 

[QUOTE='Ol Silver]Amen!

I guess that people can say they serve their country in many ways which may be true to some extent. But, unless you openly risk your life every day in your so-called "serving", then and only then can a person put themselves on a tier of "serving" equal to military service. No person can dispute that with of all these levels of serving your country, the military deserves and earns by their willingness to sacrifice their lives, the place of honor, at the head table.

I'm not jealous and I'm not afraid to say thank you to our military veterans past and present. You deserve our ultimate and highest respect![/QUOTE]
That puts 7-11 clerks at the pinnacle in your odd world view!!

 

I know some cops and the job is mostly "down time" then a bit of wresteling with drunks, and a lot of "domestic" stuff for which they by their own admission can do nothing. It is not like "CHIPs".

 

Yeah, that's what my Father-In-Law says too. He's played McGruff and marched in parades for 35 years in Omaha, Nebraska where he's the Senior Deputy Sheriff of Douglas County. He's also been stabbed three times and shot once...

B

 

Rick, I think you mis-read my comment. I said (or at least I was trying to say), there are many levels of serving your country but I personally put the military at the top level. I just feel that young people that are willing to die so that I may enjoy my current lifestyle and the freedoms I have are a rare breed and deserve my and this countries utmost respect. I can't imagine the horrors These young men and women are facing but yet they do it every day, they weren't drafted to do it, they volunteered. Until I have put myself in their situation How could I ever consider myself at their level of service or worse yet critisize them for what they do for me, my family and the people of this country. I will always look up to these people. They are the bravest of the brave, they are my heroes and I will do everything in my power to let them know how I feel. God bless them all!

I do agree with you Bone about police officers. and I would consider them also at the highest level of service to this country for the very same reason.

 

I agree completely.

I think that the term 'I support our troops' has become a backdoor hijacking of sorts. In truth, people use this term to silence those who speak out against government use of our military.

In truth, if a person 'supports our troops', then the best way to support a person is to remove them danger of death... I mean, that's where I would start.

You are quite right that these young men and women have signed up as willing to die, but truth be told we know that a lot of them did not really consider that as such a intimate possibility when the recruiters told them how they could learn to 'work with computers, and impress their friends.' But they did... Now we, as a society, have an obligation to ensure that their call to duty, with their lives on the line, be for something that we can agree with. If we don't agree with the cause, then we have an obligation to their lives - that are on the line - to say something... do something.

That is true support of our troops, in my opinion.

 

Ask any of the troops...

Can you support the troops, but at the same time not support what they are doing?

I don't think so...but don't listem to me, go ahead and tell a person serving our country you support them, but you do not support their mission. See what kind of response you get from them.

 

That part is true, I know a former cop who caught a bullet in the kidney. He got pretty good benefits and he retrained to be a teacher. He does ok now. He worked in a pretty tough area though and he will be the first to tell ya that he is an exception.

 

[QUOTE='Ol Silver] I just feel that young people that are willing to die so that I may enjoy my current lifestyle and the freedoms I have are a rare breed and deserve my and this countries utmost respect. .[/QUOTE]
Again 7-11 clerks top your most respected list, What an odd world you live in.

 

Then tell me this Midas - how does that mindset enable anyone to object to our government decisions that involve use of our military?

And how can anyone say they support our troops - troops being the operative word - if they allow those troops to be put in harms way for an insufficient cause?

That sort of silence does not really support the troop, it supports the government - which may or may not deserve it, as the case may be.

 

Blunders and indecisiveness are easily forgotten sometimes purposefully, but glory is remembered forever...
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Alfred, Lord Tennyson


Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
"Charge for the guns!" he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.



"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Someone had blunder'd:
Their's not to make reply,
Their's not to reason why,
Their's but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.



Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.



Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air,
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.



Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.



When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honor the charge they made,
Honor the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred.

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How would you like to be remembered...

 

Oh please the only thing you serve is yourself and what is in the best interests of yourself.
You sit there saying that others have shallow patriotism where you would never put your life on the line for the things that you believe in or you would already be throwing real bombs at shoppers in Iraq.
and I like how you took yourself and defended yourself behind teachers, cops and the like.
I would bet that you are not a teacher nor a police officer or anyone who serves their community but rather someone who just wants to pull this nation apart and defend those who wish to crush it.

I noticed a lot of people jumped on your bandwagon but I also wonder if they noticed that you do not only have anti-bush bashing, or anti-republican bashing but a strong line of anti-american bashing as well. But then again so many people are caught up with party flag waving that they may not see what makes you tick.

 

Excuse me but I never said that teachers, etc do not serve their nation.
That was just someone else avoiding the truth by trying to throw stones at me.
The Freedom Riders of the 1960's served their nation and put their lives on the line as well.
The person I was refering to is no Freedom Rider and I am sure is not qualified to be a school crossing guard as well.

I just point out that there is a fringe element in this nation that is anti-american at its core that as it is attacking and attempting to destory by words or deeds at the same time is living off the fat of the land.

 

You're probably going to find this hard to believe Andy, but a Democracy needs people that occupy the fringes of society. They push the limits and boundaries of the "Normal". Without people like them, we would never grow as a society. The biggest problem with them is when people begin to see their ideas as mainstream and they gain too much influence. In this case, they enable Americans to take a critical look at themselves at a time when we need to do a little self-evaluation. So don't be too quick to knock the fringe folk. They serve a necessary function in our society. Now, I have to go feed the Wal-mart machine. "SHIVER" "SHIVER" <-- Their logo

 

That seems to be the big criteria for service. These are the most dangerous jobs in America in order:
1. Truck driver 8. Taxicab driver
2. Farm worker 9. Timber cutter
3. Sales supervisor/proprietor 10. Cashier
4. Construction worker 11. Fisherman
5. Police detective 12. Metal worker
6. Airplane pilot 13. Roofer
7. Security guard 14. Firefighter
Source: U.S. Labor Department
All honorable professions but NO SOLDIERS? I guess it is not very dangerous after all. can you spell HOLLYWOOD MENTALITY?

 

DANR, one of the flaws of an internet list is you cannot see or actually get a feel about who you exchange posts with. You don't know who they are or what they've done or where they've been.

Tramatic injury/lacerations to left hand with 2nd degree burns. My hand was in a cast for over six months. Learned to type using my right hand only, LOL. I was just along for the ride as a PERSCO (contingency support; mainly clerical/paperwork) Team Chief.

Bone