Another Stellar Day for Gun Owners

You train yourself to shoot people?

 

Ding! Ding! Ding!
Exactly what we've been saying all along!! Let the authorities do their job! Don't rush to judgement, don't follow Al Sharpton & sure as heck stop posting what moen tells you to post!!

 

Hardly. If you'll go back and read the posts, I've welcomed discussion about this incident. To say that I've not wanted anyone to talk about this incident is an absolute, bald-faced lie.

Where did I say that charges shouldn't be brought against Zimmerman? I've always said that the evidence should speak for itself. Whether the evidence proves his innocence or guilt isn't up to you or me to decide. It's up to the jury. You've simply chosen to pre-empt the jury's decision and find him guilty. Well, that's your business but bespeaks your tendency toward prejudice.

 

Well, that just doesn't fit the narrative moen has made him adhere to. Have you noticed moen only posts sporadically in this thread? Usually just enough to get iqless back on point. I'll have to hand it to moen, he does play puppet master pretty well...iqless isn't even aware moen is pulling his strings!

 

That's what I'm saying. Martin had no idea if the Zimmerman had a gun or not, what I said was the Zimmerman himself was packing.

I hope you don't, but if that happens, I guess I'll eventually create a new thread on the Martin/Zimmerman issue... and we'll be back at this same point pretty quickly. That's part of their game, you know. To cause enough issues in a thread and have a mod close it. If you'll notice, the snide remarks and name-calling slights from them haven't stopped entirely. That's in the hope I say something nasty back at them, causing you to close the thread (and me to be disciplined). On my part, I'll heed your warning...but just how many pokes am I supposed to take?

 

Nope. Guess again, David. Just because YOU say it's true doesn't MAKE it true. Are you ignoring De Orc's warning? Or is attempting to cause him to close this thread part of your game?

Show me where I'm hindering it. You can't, 'cause your claim is a pathetic lie!

You're the one pining for him, talking about getting "lathered up" after you use his name... your subconcious speaking to you? And what about those private messages to Joe?

...and what makes you think I'm "letting up"?...or do you mean to say you'd like me to call you a name so De Orc has no choice but to close the thread? You really suck at this game, David

 

You seeing this, De Orc?

This is what I mean. Relatively benign sniping, insignificant by themselves, not particularly ruled unusable here, but beligerant in nature. Same with his previous comment of "thick headed", and other minor slights, as well as David's use of "puppet".

The name-calling they are doing is minor, and acceptable here, but it's the intent behind it you might not be seeing. They want me to respond in kind, knowing I'll use less benign words, forcing you to close the thread.

That's part of the game, and I just want to make sure the mods understand that.

 

You can't refer to me or my posts while your 3-way dictates that you have to ignore me. Well, at least rlm and Coin are abiding by the rules but the rules never seem to apply to your impair vision of the world.

The 3 of you have consistently misrepresented the position of the people that asked that Zimmerman be arrested and charged. In case you've already forgotten, that didn't happen until his parents, religious leaders, and the community spoke up and demanded it and then only after outside authorities stepped in. None of us have ever convicted Zimmerman but as you have, we have speculated on the evidence as it came to light. You simply lie about our position and then try to make us defend your lie. Sorry, that stupid trick won't fly.
Zimmerman will have his day in court because people like us spoke out and demanded that an incompetent police department previously rocked by racial discrimination violations and that neglected to do even a simple forensic investigation, needed to be cast aside and let the adults handle the charges against Zimmerman. If charging someone for a crime is your idea of convicting someone, then you really need to take a course in criminology.

A Florida mom shot her 4 children to death the other day. Wanna defend her too? BTW Her kids were black. I don’t know if they were wearing hoodies but hey, they were black.

 

They really suck at their game... ...makes me wonder why they bothered creating it in the first place...or why they even bother to keep playing...it's so...pathetic...

I think they are sweet on you Joe...but don't want to admit it to themselves that they miss arguing with you. So, they are writing you little love-letters? Passing you notes? Yeah, they sweet on you lol

Oh! ...and Martin had the right to stand his ground!

 

Well, Davy anyway. Not a word from the other two. Davy simply can't resist me. He keeps calling me male parts so I have to believe that is his obsession.

 

I can't speak for anyone else here but I don't want this or any other thread closed....I find your posts waayyyy too humorous to be deprived of them

 

(CNN) -- Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, talking to him on the telephone, heard the teenager saying "get off, get off," in the moments before his cell phone cut off and he was shot dead, according to a recording of the girl's interview with a prosecutor released Friday.

Another witness, however, seems to put Martin on top of George Zimmerman for at least part of the struggle, according to another recording.

"Where I first walked out there, the black guy was on top, and the only reason I can tell that was because the guy that was on the ground under him at that point wrestling was definitely a lighter color," the witness, whose name has not been made public, said in the interview.

Martin was African-American. Zimmerman is a white Hispanic.

Mark O'Mara on new evidence The recordings provide the most detailed look yet into previously reported witness statements detailing the last moments of Martin's life.

Martin was shot to death February 26 while walking in the Sanford, Florida, neighborhood where he was staying during a visit with his father.

Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, is charged with second-degree murder in the death, which sparked nationwide protests and inflamed public passions over race relations and gun control.

The girl, whose name has not been made public, told Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda that Martin got away from the man, who turned out to be Zimmerman, but only temporarily.

He was out of breath from running away and scared, she said, and decided not to keep running because he was close to the house where he was staying.

And as Zimmerman drew closer, the girl said, Martin called out, "Why you following me for?" according to the recording.

"I hear this man, like this old man, say, 'What are you doing around here?' " the girl said.

The girl said she called out to Martin, asking what was happening, but he didn't answer. The next thing she heard was a bumping sound, followed by what might have been a scuffle.

"I could hear it a little bit, 'Get off, get off,' then the phone just hung up," the girl said.

The other witness said he heard loud noises outside his home that dark, wet night, and when he looked outside, he saw one person in dark clothing over someone who appeared to be wearing a red or white piece of apparel.

"I heard, 'Help, help, help,' and I yelled at them and said, 'Hey, cut it out,' " the witness told police. He then called 911.

Another witness interviewed by police said Zimmerman "looked like he had just gotten his butt whooped," according to a recording released by authorities. The witness also said Zimmerman seemed nonchalant about the shooting, "like it was nothing."

Zimmerman has claimed self-defense in the shooting, saying Martin charged him after the two exchanged words, knocking him to the ground and hitting his head repeatedly against a concrete sidewalk.

Prosecutors say Zimmerman profiled Martin as a criminal and killed him, even though he was doing nothing wrong.

The witness said he couldn't say what sparked the incident.

"I didn't see how it started; I didn't see how it ended. I just saw the part where they were in an altercation on the ground," the witness said.

The recordings and other documents released as part of the court case also touch on the racial component of the case.

In one recording, a former co-worker of Zimmerman's says Zimmerman made him the butt of a long-running office joke, ridiculing his Middle Eastern accent and bullying him in what the witness described as a juvenile but infuriating effort to fit in with other workers. In another, an anonymous caller tells a Sanford police officer that Zimmerman and his family are racists.

"I don't know what happened. I don't know at all, who this kid was or anything else," the woman said. "But I know George. And I know he does not like black people. He would start something. He's a very confrontational person."

Some people have also attributed a racial epithet to Zimmerman during his call with an emergency dispatcher. But an FBI analysis, released Thursday, determined that the word could not be definitively identified "due to weak signal level and poor recording quality."

Zimmerman's former attorneys and an audio expert said in April that they believed Zimmerman used the word "punks," not a slur.


Firm cashing in with hoodie target The recordings released Friday are the latest in a series of revelations from the official investigation into the shooting. Authorities are making details of the case publicly available as attorneys prepare for Zimmerman's trial.

Among the documents released was one filed with prosecutors by Sanford police two weeks after the shooting, urging Zimmerman's arrest.

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New documents shed light on Trayvon Martin killing

"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog (sic) in an effort to dispel each party's concern," the police request to arrest Zimmerman said. "There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity."

Other documents released this week include Martin's autopsy report, a fire department report on Zimmerman's injuries and an FBI analysis of emergency calls in which someone can be heard screaming in the background.

The autopsy report showed that Martin died of a gunshot wound to the chest fired from within 36 inches and that he had traces of marijuana in his blood and urine.

In his 911 call just before the shooting, Zimmerman had speculated that the teen looked like he was "up to no good or he's on drugs or something."

Martin's blood contained THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, according to autopsy results released Thursday. The autopsy was conducted February 27, the day after the teenager was shot dead.

Toxicology tests found elements of the drug in the teenager's chest blood -- 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of one type (THC), as well as 7.3 nanograms of another type (THC-COOH) -- according to the medical examiner's report. There also was a presumed positive test of cannabinoids in Martin's urine, according to the medical examiner's report. It was not immediately clear how significant these amounts were.

No precise levels on the urine were released.

Dr. Michael Policastro, a toxicologist, cautioned against reading too much into the blood THC levels, adding that one cannot make a direct correlation between those findings and a level of intoxication.

He also said that levels of THC, which can linger in a person's system for days, can spike after death in certain areas of the body because of redistribution.

And Dr. Drew Pinsky, an addiction specialist who hosts a show on CNN sister network HLN, added that marijuana typically does not make users more aggressive.

Concentrations of THC routinely rise to 100 to 200 nanograms per milliliter after marijuana use, though it typically falls to below 5 ng/ml within three hours of it being smoked, according to information on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's website.

While some states have zero-tolerance policies for any drug traces for driving while impaired, others set certain benchmarks, the website of California's Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs notes. In Nevada, that equates to 2 ng/ml for THC and 5 ng/ml for THC-COOH, also known as marijuana metabolite. The cutoff level in Ohio is 2 ng/ml for THC and 50 ng/ml for THC-COOH.

What happened that night?

Martin's father, Tracy, had taken his son with him to Sanford, about four hours away from the boy's home and where the father's fiancee lived, after the teen was suspended for 10 days from Michael M. Krop High School in Miami.

According to records obtained by The Miami Herald, Martin had been suspended from school three times: once for writing graffiti on a door, another time for school truancy and the last time because of drug residue found in his backpack.

Just before the shooting, Zimmerman, 28, called 911 to complain about a suspicious person in his neighborhood.

In the call, Zimmerman said he was following Martin after the teen started to run, prompting the dispatcher to tell him, "We don't need you to do that."

Prosecutors say Zimmerman disregarded the advice, leading to a confrontation between the two.

A screaming voice could be heard on other 911 calls placed by neighbors, with some speculating that those screams came from Martin and others that they belonged to Zimmerman. As part of its analysis released this week, FBI did not make a final determination either way, citing several reasons, including the fact they came during "an extreme emotional state," that there weren't enough words to make a good comparison and that the sound quality was low and distant.

Zimmerman claimed, according a police report released earlier, that he'd been "assaulted (by Martin) and his head was struck on the pavement."

According a report from the Sanford Fire Department, released Thursday, Zimmerman had "abrasions to his forehead," "bleeding/tenderness to his nose" and a "small laceration to the back of his head" when emergency personnel arrived at the scene at 7:27 p.m., six minutes after they were first called.

By that time, Martin had no apparent pulse, according to the fire and EMS report. Emergency personnel attempted mouth-to-mask resuscitation and chest compressions, to no avail. He was pronounced dead at 7:30 p.m.

The case put a spotlight on race relations, spurring protests nationwide and drawing prominent civil rights leaders to central Florida denouncing the actions of Sanford police and calling for Zimmerman's arrest. Special prosecutor Angela Corey announced he'd been charged on April 11, weeks after Sanford police initially declined to do so.

The case also raised questions about gun laws, as well as the merits of the "stand your ground" law in Florida and similar laws in other states that allow people to use deadly force anywhere they feel a reasonable threat of serious injury or death.

 

If the tirade moen unleashed on your posting abilities earlier wasn't bad enough allow me to burst your bubble even more...
the stories he's telling the forum about me sending him pm's is a flat out lie. In fact I give deorc permission to access my account & see if I sent moen any pm's- he's free to disclose it to the forum. How does that make you feel about your mentor? If he would tell public lies like that, what else would he stoop to? Think about it, iqless, he's manipulating you because he knows your capable of being manipulated.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/amid-evidence-cache-martin-case-questions-nag-212052642.html

 

Welcome back AJ. Plan on sticking around?

Sorry to hear you think pursuit of someone is reason to try to kill them, but I will bet we can talk about it without personal attacks .

BTW, I hear today that one of those two was on probation for possession. That same individual was also high when he died. Anyone want to fill in the blanks or would those facts be too contrary to your mantra?

 

So you deny quoting one of my posts in which I fooled you into acknowledging by making it about IQ? If you can deny that, then what else are you lying about? I may have deleted your private little love messages but I'll know enough to save them in the future to further discredit your lies that never seem to end. You are a sad case. At least rlm and coin could keep up their end of the bargain. It just proves that you should be careful who you have a 3-way with. There is no honor among thieves. Keep your PM’s to yourself or I will make sure that they make their way into a post.

 

I've seen the advertisements: Obsession. By David Wheatley.
The audio contains a sexy "growwwwl" at the end.
Calvin Kline is not amused.

 

Throwing your compatriots (or as Jr. would say: "me amigos") under the bus! Bad form, old chap! Bad form!

But explain this to me: How would closing the thread keep me from posting?.. ...or did you mean to say that if I should get banned for a while...

...He's losing it! David's losing it, everyone!

Ohhhh, if I hadn't already gotten naked and danced my joy outside, and hadn't been pelted by all those pebbles, and it wasn't so buggy out... I would sooooooo be out there again!

You're realllllly bad at this game, David!