Americans Support Surveillance Cameras 3-to-1

It is easy for people like Moen to criticize when they have NO platform or NO plan of theiir own...unless it comes at the expense of everybody else, never themselves.

 

His views aren't that unusual. The ethnocentric mix where he calls home dictates acceptable social standards for the local culture. He's merely voicing an opinion which is prevalent in a certain area.

On the other side of the coin, there are many Blacks who (like OldDan) would never support Interracial Marriages or would only support Interracial Marriages. Oft times in Southern rural poverty stricken areas the "White Woman" is a status symbol equal to a new car or home. Basically many think they cannot be looked on with respect unless they have a white wife.

In the military I was exposed to more than most would in, say ChuggWater, Wy. To me it's really none of my business but being honest I don't want my daughters marrying outside of my culture so...

 

Mr. Moen, if being honest makes me a bigot, then so be it! You might want to try being honest with yourself once in awhile, you might like it. But then again, probably not.

 

It makes you an honest bigot.

Bonedigger...common certainly doesnt make it any less repulsive to want to see people put to death simply if they marry outside ones race...do you also think that interracial marriages should be banned? and that people who do so should be put to death? What would you do if your daughter decided to marry outside her race?

 

All right have it your way, but at least it has kept me from sinking into becoming a degenerate!

 

I am fully in favor of them using Surveillance on you.

I just don't want them to do it to me.

I trust me, but, you?

Surveillance: The government's way of saying that they love you.

 

Well, we have to take your word for that...so what you are saying is if you marry outside your race you will become a degenerate (or that in and of itself makes you a degenerate)...thus you advocate outlawing interracial marriage and the death penalty for those who do...Since you say that such people deserve to be executed...I guess that means to you, to marry outside ones race is about as bad as murder...

 

He's a racist. Duh.

 

No, certainly not banned at all and death is a bit extreme for those who've married interracially. As for my children we've instilled our views but the final choice is left up to them. My wife and I feel confident our social values are instilled in our girls.

 

well...do those social values include no interracial marriage? Certainly people of another race might share your social values....I work with a young lady who is from south america but she is very religious and conservative...

 

There you have it in red.

 

and of course he would be history if he were to hurt her physically.

I assume that would hold true with anyone regardless of race...

so what you are saying is that you have instilled in your daughter that it is bad to marry outside her race...

I dont know why it comes as a shock to me...I just guess we were beyond it these days...

 

Hopefully, I've instilled the values my father taught me, etc. I recall you're a married man with a child on the way, and I congratulate you and the Mrs What are your plans for him or her as far as dealing with racism?

I can tell you from experience it's a bridge you won't know you've crossed until after the fact...

 

Sounds like daddy is going to have a little trouble letting go after the kids reach the age of responsibility. Not to mention some latent racism. It's not unusual for men to treat their daughters differently than they treat their sons. It just old fashioned sexism that has been around for some time.

I have explained to my three boys that I don't care who they choose to spend their lives with as long as that person treats them with respect and that they also treat that person with respect. I can learn to love anyone if they make an effort to find happiness within the family and not cause problems. I'd accept anyone that was kind and loving as an in-law.

Having said that, once a child reaches adulthood, their decisions as well as your influence over them is pretty much nil or it ought to be anyway. If you find that for example you child grows up to be attracted to abusive men, you probably have been too abusive in your parenting and they are just looking to replace the feelings that they were familiar with growing up. There is always a part of your child that you have formed and have to live with for the rest of your respective lives. At some point it's hands off and they either sink or swim.

 

Thanks...Yeah, I have a little girl due in a few weeks. As you may know she will be mixed race. Although my family is from the deep south, my father and mother never attempted to put limits on who I should and shouldnt marry when race is concerned. They moved us from Georgia, to New Orleans to Houston and as you may know houston is highly mutli-cultural thus I went to school with all races and I had good friends who were white, korean, thai, mexican and black. We all dated different races.

My wifes parents accepted me without any problems, they took me to Europe to meet her family and then to pakistan to meet the rest. I took them to meet my family and have them over for Thanksgiving and my family seems to have no problems at all with who I married from day one.

They are very excited to have a new grandkid, we have wondered what she will look like, more eastern or more western but they have told me that is doesnt matter a lick what she looks like, she is their granddaughter and she will be loved.

I truly have nothing against any race..I do see people as people regardless of skin color...I know there are good and bad people from all races...I hope to instill that in my daughter...she will have good people of different race all around her to teach her this and since she will be mixed race...she might encounter people like olddan...EDIT: On second thought, I wont tell her about racial hate...I will deal with it when and if it happens to her.

 

As far as interracial marriages go I think there are personal levels of acceptable comfortable interracialibility which vary with each individual woman. This intimacy comfort level often times acts as a reverse barometer indicative of ones education level or lack there of. What does that mean? Well the dumber you are (the woman) the more likely you will be drawn into one of these seemingly exotic lifestyles and the more likely you'll (the female partner) be used and then cast aside (foodstamps, welfare, WIC, etc.) with a bunch of kids and the man hitting the road for greener pastures after his (non white) family discovers that he's got a white wife. I've seen it happen more times than I'd care to in 20 years of military service.

Chuckle, that's that bridge I spoke of. We've utilized the same approach to an extent and fortunately it was a smooth crossing.

Our oldest is 20 and in her 2nd year of school (Minnesota) while our youngest is 14. Neither are in a serious relationship, LOL...

 

I never said it was murder or anything like that. This is of your own doing, not mine.
As for the two individuals who go and get married, I could care less and what ever happens is of no concern to me, the true pitty of this whole mess is that they place the mark on their children who have had no say in the marriage. It's the kids who are eventually made to pay the price of two people who should have known better. Simple as that.

 

Well, if you think we should be executed for getting married to someone outside our race...I would relate that to other crimes one would be executed for, murder being one of them...thats a harsh punishment reserved for the harshest of crimes....

The only 'price' my child or any other mixed race child would have to pay would be from people like you who hate them (or her parents for being together). Its a sad fact I guess and certainly not their fault or mine or my wife's for loving each other and having a child. The only fault would lie at the feet of people who would give them grief because they are bigots, or give us grief as her parents for doing nothing but getting married and having a child like any other normal couple. Why else would she have a problem in life for her mixed race? She has 2 parents who will love her, grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins who all accept her mother and will love her...If there are any problems she faces it would be from bigots. Why wife feared something like this, I assured her that such bigots are very few and far between, a dying breed...I still think this is true.

Bonedigger, I guess I am confused as to what you are getting at. I would think any relationship could end the way you say, certainly I have seen many same race marriages end exactly that way. My wife and I are both college grads and have been married for 10 years. We were married because we love each other, we dated for about 5 years before that, we met each other through her brother who was my college roommate. I would think a lot of mixed marriages are this way...I work with a man who is married to a woman from Trinidad and has been for many years...they are very happy...I just didnt think about the fact she was of a different race...I just liked her, she was very pretty, she liked me, and we married and now we will have a child. With me AND her it could have been anyone of any race...she dated a jewish guy before I started dating her...I dated white women, asians, and a mexican...

I dont think where they come from or the skin color means anything as much as if you love them.

 

I applaud you and your lovely wife on your anniversary. Happily married for 10 years, a wonderful achievement, Jen and I just went over 20 last year.

Sadly (as you probably know being prior Navy) the majority of Military marriages end in divorce. Both the man and woman many times have to compress a multi-year romance into just a few months or never see one another ever again. Many times the decision to get married is simply the wrong one often based on sexual satisfaction, finances, or the availability of off-base housing. It looks good when contemplating it on a Friday night at the club with a few beers under your belt but it's a lot different after saying "I Do" in front of a judge. And, many times (the club) that's the problem, these young military members (one or both) still want to party and hang out with their old friends like they did before. Many times the problems start right there...

And like OldDan said the extra burden of having children after a divorce, especially interracial ones leads to more problems for the mother and the kids down the road after daddy has (deliberately) secretly shipped off to Korea for two years with a follow on assignment to Germany and she's stuck in Murdo, SD working at a Dairy Queen, getting NO Child Support, with no friends, and nothing but snickering cowboys to talk to with virtually no chance for a 2nd chance at romance. Is it fair? NO! Is it right? NO! Is it the way it is? Yes... Just imagine the problems your wife might encounter in Peshawar with a 1/2 Caucasian American child. In Korea during the war mixed children were abused and often killed. There are horrors nobody speaks of even today.

Did you know the military used to give special assignment deferment consideration to black/hispanic military members when it came to assignments in the upper Midwest. That is no longer the case but each base has a mandated percentage of minority members and those numbers are watched closely by both the personnel and manpower offices for fluctuations up or down.

Don't forget child support enforcement of a member overseas can be a nightmare for the custodial parent as well. Oft times the military assignment system aids in the delinquency of child support payments and unscruplous First Sergeants and Commanders cover for the member as well.

Know I got off on a tangent but hey, just telling it like it is...

 

I think you are looking at it purely from a military standpoint which makes sense because you spent so much time in the military and I do know what you are talking about. But a lot of interracial marriages are like mine. Two people who have no other reason but for mutual affection to marry. She didnt need anything from me and I didnt need anything from her. We dated for some time and then married...just like any couple would in the US.

There are a lot of people of a different races living here in america (in houston more than many places I guess)...they go to the high schools and colleges and work at businesses and you meet them as a matter of course.

I met my wife the same way I would meet any woman regardless of race. We dated...I asked her out after her brother informed me she liked me (we met several times when she would visit.) You seem to be stereotyping all interracial marriages by a certain kind you have seen and to be honest, what I am seeing from dan...I dont think that is what he is referring to anyway.

I can see why romances might go sour when it involves military and foreign girls. I can even see why maybe there should be rules set...I have certainly seen men just leave when their time was up and I know that at least the army is now cracking down on men who do that. But when they are just normal romances that bloom in the course of everyday civilian life like any other...why would one feel the need to ban such a thing? Let alone hint that such a thing deserves to be dealt with as harshly as killing the people doing it.

When it comes to marriages between civilians, what consequences save the ordinary ones could face my wife and child? If I leave her...like a million guys do in same race relationships...then she will get child support just like anyone else...the only thing she faces is the negative actions of others who are against it on principle...like I think dan is...If everyone like dan simply accepted that there is nothing wrong with people of 2 different races getting married and having a child, then my child would have nothing to fear. She will just be another american child...she will just happen to be of mixed race.

I dont think dans point of view is very common anyway...so I dont think my daughter will have much to worry about anyway. ME an my wife waited to have a child until we were comfortable in our money situation, work situation, and in our life together...after 10 years she said she wanted to have a child and I agreed it was now or never...I dont think we could have been more responsible in the planning. Our child will have a good life...I just hope she doesnt not have to hear the type of opinions that I have read in this thread...