As I said you dont keep everything quiet you publisce what serves your purpose Ie defections even if they are not true believe me it sows dissent amongst the rank & file. As for the educated for some it realy is a matter of true belief, please never discount religiouse beliefs & how they can dictate a course of action, then you have the power buzz. Some people get a great big kick from belonging to secret organisations it can make there life that much more exciting. Midas there are many muslims who just want to live in peace but they are afraid to risk almost certain death by speaking out, I know you wont belive me but I have seen it in Northen Ireland, not all Catholics hated the Bris far from it, but the fear of speaking out against the IRA was very real, have you heard of Tar & Feathering, Knee Capping, and then there were those who just vanished. and please dont tell me this is a different situation it is not. We have had many senior Muslim Clerics over here decry the outrages carried out in there name, but that doesnt sell newsprint. Ask yourself this where do you think intel comes from regarding possible attacks? It comes from dissafected Muslims, it is bought and gatherd electornicly.
Hey, I am all for opening up the doors to disenfranchised muslims who wish to escape this hateful religion. You have to remember, denouncing islam as well as all of the passges of hate that are commanding "true" muslims to convert, enslave, tax and/or fight/KILL us is totally AGAINST islam. If there are sooooo many "moderate" muslims as people claim, then surely they would have the numbers and resources to destroy the cancer of islam, don't you think? Face it...most Westerners dont know what their up against, their in denial or they are leftist PC apologists/appeasers to islam. When you seriously study islam as a prospective convert, I gurantee you...the more you study islam, the more repulsed and disgusted you will became. Fortunately, here in the West, we have the free-flow of ideas and discussion which is something you will not find openly in an islamic country. "True" muslims live by mohammads example (unfortnately) and dictates, and it is the terrorists that are the true muslims, living as their example. Mohammad was a blood thirsty genocidal dictator, who was a theif and a pedophile and used women as toilet paper. He bullied his way to power, leaving a trail of blood and mayhem. Anyone he couldnt bully or murder he made alliances with only so he could stabb them in the back later, and he did. Just like most of German people were complacent in the Holocaust and Nazi'ism, at that time, so most muslims were and are complacent in the atrocities of ISLAM!, what makes it worse is we as a world have the example of Nazi Germany. I find it both hilarious and frightening that the only way muslims can truely practice their religion is to escape islamic law and run to the the great satan (western democratic civil societies), really they are escaping islam and islamic law for secularism, but most of them are still in denial and are trying to convert the western democracies into islamic republics. Many paralels to Nazi'ism, in general practice, are astonishing, but I think even the nazis valued their people, at least as a resource to be used, muslims will kill a muslim just to kill one non muslim. Its ok (accourding to leftist apologist) for muslims to ethnically cleanse Bosnia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Philipines, Iran, Lebenon, Armenia, the West bank and Gaza, and we have to allow hostile residents within our borders, screw that. For God sakes they still practice slavery, LEGALLY, accourding to Islamic law!! One day people will wake up and it will be too late as they are learning this the hard way in countries France, Germany and your beloved England.
You ask how. From what I inderstand, the US claimed to have all but wiped out the taliban in Afganistan. Now if what they said is true, they surely had an idea of where they were, how many, etc.. Would you agree? I cannot not believe that what the Us did was..''Ok thats done. Lets go somewhere else. We wont even bother checking in on them since we are certain that we crippled them beyond recouperation.'' And if the US is that arrogant, then they deserve what they get.
Hey Craig...Beautiful rebuttle(S)...I look forward to your next intelligent post with great anticipation.
O.K. guys, someone please explain when we got the firsts one! I must have missed it completely.:whistle:
craig a, in response to your question, the only way to put an end to it would be very unsavory to most of our population. A military dictatorship with quick public executions for cattle rustling, stealing, taking advantage of a chaste female and many other crimes. Do away with the court system and find the nearest tree. In our modern society this won't work due to public opinion but would rid us of the riffraff who commit most of the crimes over and over again.
Islam (The Religon) is terribly misunderstood (not understood) by the west (that's us), and you (craig a) must also (you as well) realize (comprehend) that not all things (everything) which are fully (totally) understood (broken down so you can relate) are necessarily safe, healthy, and friendly (A-OK)... There, is that better?
I never said that they were attacking only the US. The things I write mean what they say and not what you want them to mean. But I freely admit to being concerned with how these things affect my country. The rest of the world will have to fend for itself.
When growing up in junior high school I was warned again and again to avoid isolationism because it leads to war. I know that everybody thinks that Iraq and Vietnam and Korea were wars but they were basically police actions. I am a veteran myself but realize my own limitations. We don't want a small fire to grow any bigger, stomp it out before it spreads. But alas, the Greeks invented Democracy and look what happened to them. I met Harry Truman when I was about 12 years old. He told me to study my history.
The belief that Iraq, Vietnam and Korea are/were not war is really drinking the kool-aid [my opinion only]. Nobody believes in isolationism except perhaps the nut running North Korea. Isolationism is a very inaccurate term and shouldn't have been used at your schools. The correct terminology is non-interventionism vs interventionism. The founding fathers espoused, and the US has had a long tradition of non-interventionism. This basically means we will have commercial relationships with any nation that wishes to interact peacefully with us, but will not have close political or military ties unless there is a distinct and overwhelming benefit to our country. The US will not be the policeman to the world. This is about the best way ever devised for a nation to stay out of war. If someone insists on using the term isolationism and is against it, then by definition they must support the opposite of that term, which would be imperialism. I'm not sure what basis your teacher was using to believe that imperialism was less likely to lead to war since history shows this to be false. Regarding the Greeks, the founding fathers used their experience as one of the historical examples that led them to rejecting democracy in favor of establishing a republic.
Uh... Maybe they practice in belief, but not in reality. Naval war against France 1798 Naval war against Tripoli 1798-1803 War against Britain 1812-1815 - started by USA - invaded Canada with intention of making part of USA Monroe Doctrine - 1820's - aimed against European powers, intention of alliances with Bolivarian Republics in Latin America. Wars against Mexico with intention of land grab of what now Texas, NM, AZ and California 1846-1848 Wars against aboriginal people in N. America, from 1780's until 1890's. War against Spain to make USA colonial power over Phillipines, Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico etc. 1898. That just 19th century. Then in 20th century the fun begins, USA become police to whole west hemisphere, particularly Central America. Costa Rica only country not run as puppet states of USA or it's Banana corporations during some time of 20th century. USA make dictators of Chile, Salvador Allende, dictator of Haiti - Duvalier family, they also makes dictators of Mexico at times, Panama, Nicaragua with Anastasio Somoza, Trujillo in Dominican Republic the list goes on and on. Yes, you argue about all Russia did in 20th century. But USA not do any better really, it only matter of what your media portray on your television to make you feel good.
When you think about Muslim fundamentalist and Jewish fundamentalists and Christian fundamentalist, they have all in common - they all mentalists.:goofer:
Do you think that any of those events were positive, or would non-interventionism have been the better choice? Another thing to keep in mind is that non-interventionism doesn't mean that the US won't defend itself. I think you've proved that the approach is sound.
Do I think USA take out Islamic terrorists of Tripoli okay, yes. The islamist look for a fight and get it. Do I think USA colonizing countries of Latin America okay - NO! They threw off yoke of Spanish, then have Yankee yoke. Same in former Jugoslavija, USA do some good with regards Bosnija, but not so good regards Kosovo.
My strong preference is to do nothing unless/until we are attacked. The response should be directed at the attacker, and not used as an excuse to remake the world according to someone's blueprint.
Come on, signals well known to leadership in USA that Japan will attack Hawaii, just like Rikhard Sorge report Germany to attack USSR and get ignored. Somehow, leaders Stalin and Roosevelt think that if they sit on a$$ do nothing that nothing happen. Well...
