Abortion Smoothie

By your own definition, Wez isn't a murderer. Abortion is legal

As for it be killing, you would have to first define life in a legal sense. With Roe v. Wade being the closest thing to establishing if a fetus is a life, until it is overturned, a fetus must not be a life or it would be illegal to abort it, in effect, ceasing any chance of it becoming a viable person.

 

I'm much closer to a murderer by my own definition..

 

And I thought we aren't being judgmental.

 

We are sifted into a lot that upholds aborted fetuses as an inconvenient, lecherous growth upon our bodies. A manifestation of our own irresponsibility is a life that we disregard as a mere parasite.

Our progression as a society has it's own built in trap door. Awaiting our downfall is our ability to construct new devices of moral ambiguity. Common sense is fast replaced by convenience and expository mouthing of newly formed paraphrases. "When is a life really a life". Now we have aligned ourselves with Satan in an attempt to dethrone the mythological Christism. Two wrongs make not a right, yet we understand murder as having an age limit. Creation is only realized by way of documentation. No birth papers equal to no life formation.

Sick. We are sick as a society. The new millennium is adorned with the ominous foresight of the end time of the homosapien. Our intelligent design was flawed by the very presence of scientific discovery. Nuclear power by way of science; Fanaticism by way of mythology. The two worlds of homosapien collide with a rhythmic horror; The real and the unreal. Mythology mixes with reality, and we have Armageddon.

So go ahead, kill your baby. You have no one to answer to. Science has provided you a convenient excuse to buck morality and swear upon nothing as sacred.

 

Legality is no indicator of what is right and proper. It was legal and a requirement once that jews be betrayed and handed over by the citizens to be murdered by the nazi state.

In Communist Russia it was legal that thousands be sent to a cerain death in Siberian goulags.

So much for legality. I could go on and on with immoral meaningless laws which would be properly at home in a cess-pit

No. It is not necessary to define life at all. What is necessary is to recognise that babies too have rights too.

This is the most arse- about- face piece of gibberish I have ever read. What you are arguing here, is that you must be right, otherwise you will be wrong !

And you cannot be wrong, the consequences are too fearful to consider, for you would then be little better than any other promoter of murder, so you'll just continue doing the ostrich stunt with your head in the sand.

 

Here is one area we can both agree on.

Society has trended the move away from religious based morals so they can do as they desire without feeling like they have done wrong. Under religious based morals, they could not behave this way, only without religion can the masses make the unthinkable become reasonable.

The the creation of life is a step by step process that begins with conception. If you stop the process at any point, you have stopped life, trying to say killing a fetus is not killing a life is like saying your not gay if your not the one bent over.

I keep mentioning the late term abortions as well because everyone seems to be avoiding that fact as well. Currently in America, it is legal to abort a child up to the day of birth. We are not talking just a clump of cells, we are killing life at all stages and it is just sick.

 

It is not just the religious who are appalled at child murder, many atheists are too TJ. I am.

Absolutely sickening, just as heinous as any of "Dr" Mengeles experiments. What on earth do these "doctors" do with a (-1 day old crying child )? Sling the kid in the incinerator I suppose. Evil bastards.

 

Morals without religion are like a buffet table, each person on an individual basis passing buy taking the bits they like and leaving what they don't like, or is inconvenient, on the table. There are no universal "Right" and "Wrong" morals with those that do not know God.

It is the removal of God from our lives that makes it possible to have flexable morals. The flexable morals allow some people to justify things like abortion but still see themselves as "good" from their point of view.

Not much different than sucking a smaller version into a vaccume hose. Killing is killing to them, they tell themselves that it is not life, they tell themselves that it is like cutting away a cancer so they can stand to look at themselves in the mirror, but at the end of the day, it is still murder, and I have no idea how they can do such a thing.

 

What are you talking about? I am personally against abortion, but until the US Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, Wez, or anyone else who is involved with abortion are not murderers. I'm only referring to murder as a legal term. If abortion were murder in the US it would be illegal.

I'm not commenting on right or wrong. I'm commenting on legal and illegal.

 

The point he is making is just because it is legal, that does not change the moral stand of the act.


If your only reason to support abortion (and those who commit it) is because of what some old guys say in the supreme court, then your missing a lot.


We started this conversation about a guy who slipped a drug into a drink to make a woman have an abortion. We all agree that what he did was wrong, but we are discussing why it is murder only if a man does it, but not murder if the worman kills a child.

The unborn baby is a life under the law, only if a man kills it, or attempts to kill it, but if the woman wants to kill it, suddenly the law says the life is not a life and can be killed without penalty.

Don't you see how illogical that is?


The law should be blind to gender and only consider if an unborn baby is alive and worth protection under the law, or not alive and not entitled to protection under the law.

 

Didn't they ban partial birth abortions?

 

If you look back at my posts on this thread, what you said has been my stance from the beginning.

I do see the double standard and have said that.

My point was that, Wez or anyone else is not able to be legally considered a murderer, for participation in an abortion until Roe v. Wade is overturned. You both are arguing with someone who agrees with you on the moral standpoint. I was speaking strictly from a legal standpoint.

 

You know I wasn't sure so I checked. Thank God they did keep the ban.
LA Times report on the Supreme Court Ruling upholding the PBA Ban Act.

I saw something on I think was the history channel on partial birth abortions. The doctor turns the baby around to be a breach position(feet first). The whole child is delivered except the head. They take a pair of scissors and poke a hole in the back of the neck. He widens the hole then sucks the brains out of the child with a vacuum.
I can?t imagine someone calling themselves a doctor that can do this procedure.

 

So, a fertilized egg = life? Why stop there. If those two parts make a life, then those two parts must be life themselves as we know that life only comes from life. Sperm = life. You're a murderer everytime you masturbate ...

 

Yeah, TJ is full of sh*t, abortions cannot be done on the day of birth..

 

The fact that abortion is legal shows how effed up this country is.

Maybe you're not a murderer legally wez, but you most certainly are a murderer morally.

PBA's are still illegal. They can take a baby before it's partially born though. (From what I understand) Same thing basically, they just don't use scissors.

 

God is pro war, anti abortion?

Tell us about the Godly manner in which you murdered that man and sent 4 people to the hospital...

 

it's good to see you know so much about everybody wez. If only you payed more attention to yourself.

 

Perhaps I am... Maybe that's why I don't condemn and hate, but forgive murderers. So that I also may be forgiven..

 

Ummmm.. I've been the topic of everyones discussion since yesterday, moron. Perhaps you need a glance in the mirror again..