Abortion Smoothie

I don't know, we'll see. I tried to get an update but couldn't find any.

When I was younger I had unprotected sex. I couldve help conceive and unwanted child. But I would never want the child aborted. Society has abandoned my rights to the child that would've been a part of me. I would have no say in the abortion and would have to live with the fact that my bad judgment to have unprotected sex ended a life. I would have serious problems with that.
Let me rephrase that, an un expected child would be conceived. I would want the child.

 

First of all Anna, I notice you completely dodged my comment about how the woman did make a choice by engaging in the unsafe sex. You keep talking about how the woman should have a choice but when I point out she did have a choice, you just dodge that point, clearly this is admitting you see but refuse to admit that point.

What I said is self supportive.

You seem to be repeating the same kind of avoidance over and over. If someone says something you don't want to admit is true, you make some weak claim that it needs some kind of proof so you can discount it.

The facts are there, simply put them together. The women is engaging in dangerious, unprotected sex and gets pregnant. All the statistics show that the women getting pregnant already have at least one child and know how babies are made. All the statistics show women who get abortions do so getting the abortion is about escaping their responsibility. The statistics prove that most women who get abortions either never use protection, or use it in an irregular way in the month they got pregnant so it is not a case of an accident or protection failure.

So my definition is accurate:

An abortion is nothing more than a way for the woman to escape taking responsibility for the "choice" she already made but regretted later.

Your trying to twist things again, that is just silly.

It is the man's child only if the woman does not kill it, if the woman wants to kill it, then your possition is that the man is irrelivant.

Why is it the man's responsibility only if the woman allows it to live?

You just said it again, if the man's desire is not given any power, then he has no say in the life being either killed or allowed to live.

It seems like you want your cake and eat it too. You want men to be held completely responsible for a life he has no ability to make decisions about. If the man cannot save the life of a child he wants when the mother wants to kill that life, then don't hold him responsible the other way around, that is just being fair.

It used to be legal to own slaves as well, something being legal does not make it right.

No, it is self serving females that are making the double standard.

Men can be responsible for supporting a child for 18 years through giving up 1/3 to 1/2 of their monthly income but they cannot protect the life of their child if the woman wants to kill that life, yep, double standard.

Nobody ever said life or the truth was fair.

The women are cold blooded killers, I am sorry if the facts are making you feel bad, but I don't make the facts, I am just talking about the facts.

The Alan Guttmacher Institute like eddo, if your going to have a discussion about abortion, maybe you should check out the single most respected authority on abortion related studies so you can debate based on the facts, not just your gut reactions.

Attacking spelling must be the single most juvinile personal attack on the internet. Yes, I am a bad speller, too many years of word with spell checker and others doing my typing for me, that does not remove the fact you can still easily understand what I am saying and the points I make, please refrain from these petty attacks.

No we don't. Only the woman has the ability to make that decision. Sure you get the rare situation like this idiot giving his girl the day after drug but like rape, these examples do not even scratch the surface of the real numbers of irresponsible abortions women have each year.

In this society, only women can kill a child and it not be considered a crime.

Okay, now your just playing stupid.

I have 3 children. I was deeply involved in every pregnancy, I even talked to my children while in the womb every night. Any man can attest that pregnant woman is not the most stable person in the world, even the doctors all talk about how things like the hormone imbalance causes some interesting effects.

Here is a great artical where is says 1 in 5 pregnant women are depressed:
Many Pregnant Women Are Depressed


Here is a good study showing how abortion "causes" depression as well:
Abortion Causes Massive Mental Health Problems | Human Events | Find Articles at BNET.com


Even if you see nothing wrong with killing children, maybe you can have a little concern with how damaging an abortion is to the woman.

And you are simply burrying your head in the sand, refusing to even admit that there is a serious problem with abortion being used as a birth control method by irresponsible women. You refuse to admit that it is lives that are being ended, killed because women refuse to take responsibility for the "choice" to have risky sex.

It seems like you want men to take responsibility, you want them to pay support if the baby is born right? If the man has no choice about taking responsibility for having risky sex, why is it you believe women should have the right to dodge taking that same responsibility?


Again, attacking spelling is just juvinile, please stop this kind of silly behavoir.

Clearly this is my opinion and I offered it as such. The reality we see does support my opinion, if women of our society did value life, they would not be killing children over a million times every year.

In this context, the father has no say in a life being killed or not.


Only the mother can decide if she will kill her children or not.

Now that was about as rude as it gets.

Why should someone be attacked by you for voicing their opinion?

I love the way, time and time again it is the liberals that prove themselves to be the intolerant ones.

This is a great point.

Let's not forget that about 400,000 of those abortions are late term, able to survive outside the womb if given the chance.

 

Being someone who's mother had an abortion (I should have an older sibling) might give me a little credibility. Maybe not... Who really cares. When my wife/girlfriend/what ever gets pregnant by me, I'll have a say in whether the baby lives or not. We will talk it out, and decide what to do next. Then we'll have the baby, and either keep it, or put it up for adoption. That's how it should be. If she doesn't want to keep it, she can move herself out and I'll be making room for my child. Bottom line, that's it. If she tries to have an abortion or anything else like that, I'll have her locked up for endangerment or something.

There's not really a difference in the situation we're talking about.

Typical situations:
Situation A: Mother doesn't want child, Father doesn't want child.
Decision to terminate made by both.
No legal consequences.

Situation B: Mother doesn't want child, Father wants child.
Mother decides to terminate anyway.
Father loses out with no option.
No legal consequences.

Situation C: Mother wants child, Father does not want child.
Mother has child.
Father pays half his paycheck to child support for at least 18 years.

Situation D: Mother wants child, Father does not want child.
Father causes abortion.
Father spends the rest of his life in jail.
Woman moves on.

See the differences there?

Difference is... They're made for it. Their bodies were designed to handle it. Ours were not. Yours is a ridiculous argument.

 

About 4 years ago, my girlfriend of 18 years got pregnant unexpectedly. We never used anything but natural birth control methods, me being careful to remove it from the birth canal, the whole time we were together. When we were young we'd have sex several times a day, everyday. At the time she got pregnant she was taking birth control pills to help regulate her periods and so I was less careful. I knew she was pregnant before she did as I kept asking her if she has gotten her period yet. Finally, after like 2 months I went and got a test kit and sure enough, she was pregnant.


Things had been very bad in our relationship for a long time as she was a very verbally abusive, manipulative, angry person. Her entire family is this way. She watched her older sister have 2 kids to trap men twice over and torture the man and children on a daily basis. Her two brothers used kids to trap women and torture the kids and women on a daily basis.My girlfriend was the same way in many ways, towards me, but I never let her get any legally binding strings attached to me. I stayed because I wanted to, not because I had to. I did love her and understand why she was this way but it got to be too much. I couldn't take any more and ended the relationship 2 years ago.

As for the abortion, we talked about it and both decided that it was the best thing as I knew she would torture the child as well and in the back of her mind, so did she. She hated her sister for what she did to her kids and men, although she didn't see that she did the exact same to me, I assure you, she does now. It was probably the main factor why we both never wanted to have kids together. It would have been a bloody nightmare. We stayed together for another 2 years of hell and to this day, I know the proper decision was made. I wouldn't have lived through a child being used against me in the most evil ways possible.. Not good for any child..

I do sometimes feel really bad about the decision and even cry, but I made my bed and as much as I would have loved to have kids in a happy, healthy household like I grew up in, I didn't make those choices in my pick of a partner and know the proper decision was made.

 

at least you two talked about it. That doesn't excuse this deplorable action. If you knew the kid would be so bad off with the mother, you could have filed for custody and taken the kid from her. If that wasnt going to work, put him/her up for adoption.

Then again... it may be better if you didn't breed.

 

I come from grade A stock, boy..


We made the proper choice early in the pregnancy. She got the pill and did it at home.


Her sisters oldest daughter became a stripper at 18, met a guy my age at the strip bar, and now has his child. She'll be worse than her mother.

Her brothers oldest daughter starting getting DWI's at 15 and has been in the legal system for years..

The other also spent years in and out of child detention for basically sticking up for herself.. Ugly sh*t my friend..

 

You're just pointing out places where the good parent should have stepped in and removed the child. If there was no good parent, then someone else should have. CPS or DeFaCS should have been notified. Anyone who saw this type of abuse and didn't report it, it seems to me, is just as guilty as the bad parent(s).

 

Apparently they do. That's why this guy is up for murder.
But I get your jest. They had a part in the conception so its partly his fault too. The big problem in this picture is he has no say in the abortion.

 

So Anna do you believe by this guy slipping her this drug in her smoothie he commited murder?

 

I don't think you understand how nearly impossible it is to take a child away from their mother. Often making the situation worse.. Not everyone is as lucky as K Fed to have the public eye on the mother of his kids 24/7 drinking and partying..

 

Yeah... I don't buy that for a single second. My father got FULL CUSTODY of me AND my little brother from my mother when we were 2 and 3 years old.

A friend of mine, and a guy that I work with got custody of his kid from his ex.

It's not THAT hard, and definitely not impossible for a man that wants custody bad enough, to take it.

 

But wez you said you both didn't want the child. How would it be hard to take the child? Or do you think you just might get attached to the child?


And my wife had a abortion with her first husband. We don't talk about it becuse she knows my stand on the issue. I think she only brought it up once saying something like my first child would've been x years old. I don't judge.

 

I think we are all basically on the same page as far as the conception (with the exception of rape or incest) is the responsibility of both the man and woman and that the actions this guy took to slip morning after pills to this gal should be a criminal offense.

The difference comes in as to the charge. Should he be charged with both assault on the girlfriend and murder of the fetus, just be charged with assault on the girlfriend and not murder of the fetus or not charged with any crime?

My personal opinion is that he should be charged with assault on the girlfriend, for slipping her a drug without her knowledge, but he should NOT be charged with murder if the state of Wisconsin allows women to abort fetus' on a daily basis.

Aborting a fetus should not be a crime for one person to do it (i.e. the man) when it is perfectly legal for another person (i.e. the woman) to do the same thing. This is gender discrimination.

 

He was fortunate to live in the state that he did. In Nebraska, unless you can prove that the mother is a drug addict or should be in a mental institution, she will almost always get custody. There is even a movement and fliers in many courthouses addressing the gender bias in custody situations in the states District Courts (that's the court in Nebraska that decides custody).

 

I think that most of the guys are on the same page. I haven't seen anything from Anna (she's in Australia) or anyone with a differing opinion.

I don't think he should be charged with any crime. What did he do to the girlfriend aside from put that in her drink (I really don't know, I need to go back and read the original story again)? If nothing that harmed her physically, then no crime.

 

When my first child was conceived I was 20 and my girlfriend was 21. We were both party hounds and had no business getting pregnant. But we got married before she was born. We didn?t even consider abortion. Never even came up. We new what we had to do. We slowed down our parting. We even took turns, one going out and the other staying home with the baby. My second one was planned.

 

Try proving that a mother uses her kids as a meal ticket to trap men and is verbally abusive and tortures her kids and spouse/partner on a daily basis.. Even if she is, and it's proven they wont take the kids from her.. She wasn't a drug addict or partier. Drunk with anger 24/7.. Not a crime last time I checked..

 

I think slipping any drug to someone without their knowledge or consent, should be some form of assault. Most drugs have side effects. Here are some of the results of RU486.

Otherwise slipping a "Ruffie" (Rohypnol) to a chick, causing her to just become unconscious, as long as you don't rape her would be fine. Side effects of Rohypnol.

 

Causes physical problems, clearly assault. Charge him with assault.

 

Now, for myself, had some law said my ex and I had no choice would have been unacceptable, most likey forcing us into the bathtub with a coat hanger and a two liter bottle of coke.. Not a pretty scene.