Abortion Smoothie

Discussion in 'Politics' started by snafu, Dec 1, 2007.

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  1. Anna Perenna

    Anna Perenna Big Time BS'er

    I feel the same way.

    I don't think I would ever personally be able to have an abortion, but then again I don't think anyone has the right to dictate what women want to do with their own bodies.

    While a foetus is growing inside a woman, it belongs to her. I imagine that many men (and some women) don't want to hear that, and they don't want to accept it, so they fight to control it, but they need to learn that this is something that they are simply never going to be able to control.

    Women have the right to decide whether or not they want to put their body through carrying a baby, and I respect that right. Everyone else should learn to respect it, too.

    Also, if women don't have access to clean, medical abortion facilities they'll resort to unclean backyard methods like coathangers and goodness knows what else, thus endangering their own lives.

    If men want to have an opinion on it, they should take action to stop other men raping women, underage girls, and even their own children. Untill all that kind of nasty inhumane behaviour stops happening, women need to have abortions legally available.
     
  2. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    No it dose not! It took a mans sperm to create this fetus. It's a part of the man!!! why can't women understand this? It would be like killing a part of me! The women new the consequence of what sex would bring just like the man.


    This is were stiff jail time and other murers charges would come in handy.

    I would stop a rape in a heartbeat if I could. And it would be with a 45. caliber bullet.

    *A bullet to the brain stops a rape in an instant. Saying I have a gun stops it even sooner* - Pen & Teller.
     
  3. Anna Perenna

    Anna Perenna Big Time BS'er

    Ok, I can see that I appear a little harsh, so please let me explain.

    Women have to carry the nine month burden of being pregnant. Men don't.

    I think there should definitely be lengthy discussions between the two responsible parties (if possible) about it before the abortion is decided upon, but it seems fair that the final decision belongs to the woman.

    Would you rather a baby was born, unwanted, to ill equipped and unprepared parents?

    Why should a woman go through nine months of pain if she really isn't ready for it?

    Please, stop being incensed and try to understand it from a female point of view. Having a baby is a huge decision, a huge responsibilty, a major life altering experience - and shouldn't be forced upon anyone.
     
  4. ImWithStupid

    ImWithStupid New Member

    That's fine, but if I run into your car in a drunken romp, and the only thing that results, is you loose the baby, I shouldn't be charged with a crime.
     
  5. eddo

    eddo I don't like you.

    Why should a baby be killed just because it's mother was irresponsible or it may "inconvenience" her?


    Abortion as a form of birth control (which is how it abortion is used the majority of the time) infuriates me.


    If you aren't prepared to be a parent, then your best bet is to not have sex (because abstinence is the only 100% effective form of birth control.)
     
  6. wez

    wez Big Time BS

    Why do you think children should be used as punishment for having sex?
     
  7. sheik-yerbouti

    sheik-yerbouti Big Time BS'er

    I disagree. No one owns you, me, or anyone else. Slavery was abolished many years ago for good reason.

    Neither can I go for the belief that a foetus is not a human being. Do you really believe that a (+1 day old baby) is human, but a (-1 day old is not) ? This is just a self serving argument used by pro abortionists to excuse their behaviour.

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    Here is where I must modify my belief. A woman who has been raped should be able to have an abortion. Also where going to full term endangers the womans life, and also possibly where the child is known to have serious health implications.

    A contradiction? Yes. A necessary clause I think.
     
  8. eddo

    eddo I don't like you.

    You view having kids as a punishment? I don't, but getting pregnant is a natural side-effect of having sex. I was taught that in the 5th grade, and I assume most people having abortions were taught that as well (I say 'people' instead of 'women', because there are plenty of men that push their women to have abortions so they won't have to deal with it.)

    Can't stand the heat? Don't play with fire. Abortion should not be used as birth control. Ever.
     
  9. wez

    wez Big Time BS

    Whoops double posted... See below.
     
  10. wez

    wez Big Time BS

    You think women that get pregnant who have no desire or means to have and raise a child should have them anyway and serve as consequenses for their decision to have sex. Heat = pregnancy and fire = sex. So if one does play with fire and can't stand the heat, what do you propose for the unwanted child? Can they drop them off at your door?

    If you haven't noticed, people don't just have sex to produce children. It's quite enjoyable, you should try it sometime.

    I agree abortion shouldn't used as birth control and I don't think most women who have them are using them as such. It's much easier to take a pill but the fact is, unwanted pregnancies happen. What do you think should happen? They should be forced to give birth against their will?
     
  11. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    I disagree with the rape scenario. It wasn't the child's fault. We have plenty of people looking to adopt children. But if going through the pregnancy or delivering the child is a threat to the womens life I could see abortion as an option.
     
  12. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    Yes.........
     
  13. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er


    Why should the man be expected to pay child support for 18 years then if he didn't want the child?

    This guy is going up for first degree murder. I simply don't understand the difference if the women dose it. If she wants the child its murder. If she doesn't want the child its an inconvenience and can be aborted?
     
  14. hugo

    hugo Big Time BS'er

    Yep, and after giving birth they should be flogged in the town square.
     
  15. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    So in essence this women can say "never mind, I didn't really want the child either" and he walks (minus the endangerment charges). But as it stands he's gonna spend the rest of his life behind bars?
     
  16. snafu

    snafu Big Time BS'er

    But to reiterate, I don't want to be judgmental on women that have had abortions. I apologize if I offend any of you with my beliefs. I blame it on society as a whole. They lead you do belive its ok.
     
  17. wez

    wez Big Time BS

    I agree with that, society is not very child friendly these days.. maybe never were.
     
  18. eddo

    eddo I don't like you.

    As Snafu said, there are lots of people waiting to adopt. Adoption is obviously better for the child, and easier for the mom to handle than abortion.

    I am glad that you got my heat and fire analogies. Playing with fire means you can get burned. Having sex means you can get pregnant.

    yes, if need be- they can drop them off at my door- especially if it saves an innocent child from being aborted. I will absolutely do my best to make sure they are safe and get a home that will love and care for them.

    I get that, really I do. But, it is a fact that sex, no matter how enjoyable, can lead to babies. If you are in a situation that you wouldn't be a suitable mom or dad, then maybe you need to re-examine your decision to have sex: That is part of the responsibility of being an adult.

    Then why do you think most abortions happen?


    People are upset at just over 3,000 soldiers being killed in Iraq since 2002. Where's the outrage over the 1.2 MILLION US babies that were killed in 2006 alone???

    Yes. Once a woman gets pregnant she has a responsibility to care for herself and that baby til it is delivered. Her choice (apart from rape- but snafu made an excellent argument for that) has already been made- when she decided to have sex.

    Now, I also feel that the mans responsibility is equally as important- but a woman has to acknowledge that she will have more at stake physically if she gets pregnant, thus she needs to consider her options before hand a little closer than the guy does. THIS DOES NOT ABSOLVE THE MAN OF RESPONSIBILITY, but the next nine months of his physical life aren't going to be thrown in a bender for 15 minutes of "enjoyment."

    Another excellent point Snafu. I do not intend to pass judgment either, but I cannot believe that society feels it is ok to kill innocent babies and call it little more than a "choice."
     
  19. sheik-yerbouti

    sheik-yerbouti Big Time BS'er

    Hi Snaf
    I was expecting someone to disagree ! As I said, it is a contradiction to what I said earlier, but I believe there has to be a few waivers.

    You too agree to abortion for health reasons.

    I think it should be allowed for rape too. Just imagine being the raped woman. Imagine carrying the child of the criminal who ruined your life.

    Not only that but society does not need rapists breeding. There is quite enough arseholes wandering around, without allowing a breeding programme for them.
     
  20. sheik-yerbouti

    sheik-yerbouti Big Time BS'er

    I agree with you here as well. I do not sit in judgement of anyone who has chosen this route.
     
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