ABC News reports Zimmerman is a HERO!!

If the investigation had been allowed to proceed, Zimmerman may very well have said something damaging to his case or the prosecution would have simply charged him with manslaughter, which would have been a bit easier to prove from the outset.

 

I wasn't arguing one side or the other, David. I was just saying the media and everyone blew the race card out of the ballpark on this, when in fact, it was a murder case, plain and simple.

 

You need to go back and read the entire posts on Zimmerman and company. You might come back with a different opinion on the race issue.

Otherwise, I guess you do not believe in self defense, do you? Because there was absolutely no proof that it was not self defense and that is what the prosecution had to prove. Unlike most of the liberal opinions, even killing a teenage black requires the prosecution to prove that it was not self defense just as if the punk had killed a VIP.

 

Are you calling yourself a fool?

Your presumption is false. The jury must look beyond race. However, the lawyers are free to interject race as much as possible. The media, being the very liberal organization that it is, naturally want to focus on the race factor for the sake of ratings.

What evidence do you have that Zimmerman was a "psycho" or that Martin was a "punk"? Zimmerman was found not guilty (and not by the caveat "by reason of insanity", btw), so your statement is completely false. Also, calling Martin a "punk" is extremely insensitive to the deceased. I don't think Martin was a "punk". He simply made the bad decision to assault and commit battery on someone who was able to defend against his attack.

 

Nor am I...the prosecution's case against Zimmerman became a "murder case" when, according to those on the prosecution side who were willing to speak, it probably should have been less.

 

A lot of the complaints blacks talk about isn't necessarily racism. The example of an old woman clutching her purse when a black man approaches isn't necessarily racism. If I, a white man, approached the old woman, I'd get the same reaction. It's fear, yes, but not necessarily race-driven.

I remember Avery Brooks (actor, "Deep Space Nine") complaining about the same thing years ago when he entered an elevator. He considered it racism, but he ignored the fact that he is a large man and the woman was old and small.

Instinct dictates you be afraid of things like big people walking into an elevator you're on. It's self-preservation, and not necessarily racism.

The same may hold true for Zimmerman. He knew black kids/adults were breaking into homes in the area. Was it racism? To a certain degree, yes, but not overwhelmingly so, IMO. He had a profile of the people involved in recent bulglaries, and they happened to be black. If the burglaries were known to have been committed by white kids/adults, his actions that night would likely have been different, he likely wouldn't have pursued Martin, for example.

 

What the hell does race have to do with self-defense? I could have cared less if Martin was green and George was purple...it would have still been a simple murder trial. No, I'm not an obvious racist like you seem to be, therefore I will not inject that into an outcome. And what, may I ask, do you know about my so-called "liberal opinion"? I'd be willing to bet you had a more liberal opinion on this matter than I did.

 

I think that is what I said

Damn, you are good at throwing the insults, but you might actually try reading http://www.partisanlines.com/threads/another-stellar-day-for-gun-owners.4297/ before you decide who is on which side of what.

You added one word that I did not include in my post - "my". I specifically stated "most liberal opinions" . Jackson, Sharpton, Obama, Holder, Teddy, clueless, etc. I am still not sure I understand your ideas yet.

As stated previously, read before you accuse.
When you posted;

I assumed a "different outcome" would have been guilty. I further assumed that was because of race. If I was mistaken, please explain.

 

Then if I said nothing contradictory, RLM, what was the purpose for your previous post? Just to start an argument? As for my statement about a different outcome by a jury blind to race, no, that verdict might, or probably wouldn't have been much different, but the context which it was gathered might have been, which is as important as the verdict itself. Was it a trial about race...yes. Should it have been...no. If we can't agree on that, then my statement about racism stands. Otherwise, it was not meant so much to be insulting as it was me trying to figure out your statement about race and self-defense, which still baffles me.

 

According to someone who was actually on the jury, juror B29, Zimmerman got away with murder because the laws of Florida allowed it. Did Zimmerman murder Martin? Yes, just not in the eyes of an arcane Florida legal system that defines the circumstances for a murder conviction in situations like this one so broadly that you could drive a truck through it. And it was mostly written by the NRA lobby and passed by Republicans. This is what you get when you let lobbyists write your legislation. A law that benefits special interests and results in dead teenagers.

George Zimmerman Trial Juror B29 Says He 'Got Away With Murder'

"George Zimmerman got away with murder," she said. "But you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with. [But] the law couldn't prove it."
Although formerly only known as juror B29, she allowed her face to be shown and chose to withhold her last name, only using her first name Maddy.
A 36-year-old Puerto Rican nursing assistant, Maddy was the only minority on the six-person jury. She admitted she was the juror who originally wanted to convict Zimmerman of second-degree murder, but eventually realized that the evidence didn't support a guilty verdict with respect to his claim of self-defense.

 

Well, aren't we the sensitive one today. So, are you saying Zimmerman killed an innocent, sweet kid now, because this whole conversation you guys have been finding fault with his character at every turn. Which is it. Was he a punk or a saint?

 

What we cannot agree on is your false accusations merely because you cannot read. Because I have repeatedly stated there was no evidence what-so-ever to convict Zimmerman nor that he was a racist, Teddy and clueless both said I was a racist. Again , go read before you jump to another conclusion. Now you come in with the same accusation. I guess trying to treat both races equally is now called racism.

 

Both races? Laughs out loud.

 

RLM...my conclusions were based on what you said, not my opinion. Learn to read what you yourself write. The only insult is what you do to yourself here.

 

And just what did I bring up about the KKK? And when I said that a black killing a white should be treated exactly as a white killing a black that was racist? Yep! I got you.

 

Yes, Teddy, there were only 2 races involved in the Zimmerman/Martin case. According to you and most liberals, that was White abuse/racism on Black - except it was not racism and should be obvious that Zimmerman is not White.

 

Ok. Sure. If that makes you feel better....

 

This really shows the depth of your ignorance. Let's look at Zimmerman's father to start.
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Zimmerman's mother was from Peru. So, by your standards, anyone born of mixed races automatically takes the heritage of the darker race. And you say that you are not racist? Right!

 

Sensitive? No. I'm simply pointing out the fallacy of your argument. I'm not finding fault with Martin's character, I'm just pointing out that he was the aggressor and, at the point when he chose to bash Zimmerman's head into a concrete sidewalk, Zimmerman became the victim. I'm not impugning Martin's character, but I am condemning his judgment.

You called Zimmerman a "psycho" without providing any references (links, news stories, articles, documents, publications, etc.) to such a claim. Please provide any references from legitimate sources as to Zimmerman's psychological well-being or sources that would indicate the contrary and would persuade one that he is a "psycho".

You called Martin a "punk" without even telling us why you think he's a "punk". You'll need to give us your definition of "punk". Just because a young man poses with a gun, has a grille in his mouth, money and jewelry spread out on his bed, calls someone a racist term like "cracker" or uses a homophobic term like "gay rapist" doesn't necessarily mean that he's a bad person. Hell, many young men in America do those same things and use those same terms. Would you classify them as "punks"?

 

UHM? That would be following your lead!


Or following the American way. After all, even if you are only 1% American Indian, you qualify as an Indian.