A Protest Too Far

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bonedigger, Nov 28, 2005.

  1. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger Another Wandering Celt

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051126/480/txev10211261853

    Here is a picture of Cindy Sheehan the (Lightening Rod) of the Anti-War, Anti-Bush push which was all over the news only a few protests ago. Maybe this mission was taken a "Protest Too Far" because it's page thirteen news now.

    I honor the sacrifice Casey Sheehan made and I pray his memory as a hero hasn't been tarnished by these misguided attempts.

    Bone
     
  2. OldDan

    OldDan New Member

    So does Casey Sheehan's father, who said the old woman was only doing it for exposure with her new Right wing crowd and what money that is donated.
    This is a good example of how the events occured:
    http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003204.htm
     
  3. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Do you even know the difference between rightwing and leftwing??? This is the second post in which you have blamed the conservatives. I know that isn’t right. I'll make it simple for your teetering-on-the-brink mind. Just remember these two phases:
    Rightwing nut job and Leftwing liberal. Alas, I sincerely hope I've brought a bit of comfort into bad addled brain.
     
  4. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    Sheehan's mother had a stroke, and her husband divorced her when she went off the deep end. It's been tough for her.
     
  5. Danr

    Danr New Member

    I like her I think she is doing a good thing. Way to go Cindy
     
  6. OldDan

    OldDan New Member

    Yah, but if what you say is true then I'm only half wrong. The idiots with her ARE nut jobs!

    Sheehan's father told the press in April 2004 that his son had re-enlisted the previous August, planned to make a career in the military, and "loved the Army because it gave him a chance to serve his country." I can't imagine Army Spc. Casey Sheehan would stand for his mother's crazy accusations that he was murdered by his commander-in-chief, rather than the Iraqi terrorists who ambushed his convoy. I can't imagine Army Spc. Casey Sheehan would stand for a bunch of strangers glomming onto his mother's crusade and using him to undermine the war effort as they shouted "W killed her son" in front of countless TV cameras.”
     
  7. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    The word is embarassed.
     
  8. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I think that Cindy Sheehan is probably both grieving and being used by the people who believe they are representative of the majority of Americans regarding the war. Polls would indicate that they have a good deal of support for their position. Conversely, a somewhat sizable contingent of folks, don't support their efforts.

    If you lost your son or daughter to a war that you felt was wrong, you might react as Ms. Sheehan has done during your grieving process just to keep the pain at bay. On the other hand, if you lost your son or daughter to a war you felt was worth fighting, you might be satisfied that they died for a just cause and that might help you with your grieving process.

    Now, even if her son wanted to be there and decided to re-enlist, his commitment, attitude, and reasoning are his own and separate from his mother's grieving process. For some reason, she has taken the unusual step of grieving VERY publicly. I can't think of too many people that would have chosen to put such a white-hot spot light on themselves and their family during such a painful time in their lives. I believe that she just wants desperately to believe that her son didn't die for a lie and she is, for now, willing to endure both public ridicule and the people that are willing to use her for their cause.

    Having lost both my parents in the last few years, I can't bring myself to judge others for the way they choose to handle the loss of their loved ones. Grief is simply too individual to be judged right or wrong by others. I can’t even imagine the pain of losing a child much less losing one to a cause you felt was wrong and immoral. So, I’m willing to let her tell her story without judging her or her son’s actions. As Americans and human beings, we owe them that.
     
  9. OldDan

    OldDan New Member

    I'm sorry to hear of you'r loss and can understand where you are coming from on this issue. Yes Sheehan deserves, as does everyone, the opportunity to express themselves on such issues but lets knock off the theatrics by those who are pushing her into these actions.

    Just realized that this is probably the first post that I have agreed with you. Never knew how that felt before! I know, you'r now going to come back and tell me that you were just kidding. Have a good evening Moen.
     
  10. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I'm completely serious. My mom died last spring of lung cancer. A 55 year smoker and continued to smoke right up until the day she died. She died a week after Terry Schiavo in that same hospice in Florida. The press had already left and most of the protesters had moved on too. My mom always did have a good sense of timing.
     
  11. OldDan

    OldDan New Member

    I'm sure she was a grand lady, and one that must have done exactly what she wanted to do, if at all possible. Like your Mom, I smoked up until heart problems 6 years ago. Not even one cigarette since that time. I wills say this now, if and when the Drs. tell me I have 6 days or 6 months to live, I will start smoking again and enjoy it every day I have here on earth. I really enjoyed a good smoke. So I think I know about how your Mom must have felt about smoking. Side note; give it time, a little of the loss will be eased, but never lost all togather.
    Again have a good evening and a better day tomorrow.
     
  12. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    I agree with you 100%, OldDan. Casey sounds like a true, patriotic American... someone I'd be proud to have known. He gave the ultimate sacrifice for his country and I, for one, salute him.

    I can't even begin to imagine the pain his mother must feel from her terrible loss. Perhaps this is her way of coping. I don't agree with her tactics, but I can't say I'd act any differently were I in her shoes.

    I will say "thank you" to Ms. Sheehan for giving America such a man who served his country valliantly.
     
  13. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Tell that to the dead. Her actions only encourage the terrorists and undermine our fight against them. You a nice guy but wake up the world in not a nice place and military action is needed to keep our little spot nice from them.
     
  14. Danr

    Danr New Member

    I honestly believe that our presence in Iraq does more bad than good. I mentioned my charismatic leader theory in another thread, for now they are unorganized bozos.
     
  15. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    They are very organized and have as much money as they need to pull off anything they want. From oil to drugs, their resources are unlimited.
     
  16. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    I have never smoked. As I get older and older, I am very thankful for my life-long decision to avoid tobacco. The effects of tobacco on the body are truly remarkable, and it's not just lung cancer. I see kids smoking and it strikes me as tragic and horribly stupid. I see some old fart suing a tobacco company for giving him cancer and I have to laugh. Everyone knew cigarettes were deadly 60 or 70 years ago.

    Written by Merle Travis in 1947:

    Smoke! Smoke! Smoke!(That Cigarette)

    Now I'm a fellow with a heart of gold
    And the ways of a gentleman I've been told
    Kind-of-a-guy that wouldn't even harm a flea

    But if me and a certain character met
    The guy that invented that cigarette
    I'd murder that son-of-a gun in the first degree

    It ain't cuz I don't smoke 'em myself
    and i don't reckon that it'll hinder your health
    I smoked 'em all my life and I ain't dead yet

    But nicotine slaves are all the same
    at a pettin' party or a poker game
    Everything gotta stop while they have a cigarette

    CHORUS

    Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette
    Puff, puff, puff until you smoke yourself to death.

    Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate
    That you hate to make him wait,
    But you just gotta have another cigarette.

    In a game of chance the other night
    Old dame fortune was good and right
    The kings and queens they kept on comin' around

    Aw, I was hittin' em good and bettin' 'em high
    But my bluff didn't work on a certain guy
    He kept callin' and layin' his money down

    See, he'd raise me then I'd raise him
    and I'd say to him buddy ya gotta sink or swim
    Finally called me but didn't raise the bet!

    --Hmmph! I said Aces Full Pal -- I got you!
    He said, "I'll pay up in a minute or two
    But right now, i just gotta have another cigarette."

    CHORUS

    Now the other night I had a date
    with the cutest little gal in any state
    A high-bred, uptown, fancy little dame

    She said she loved me and it seemd to me
    That things were sorta like they oughtta be
    So hand in hand we strolled down lovers lane

    She was a long way from a chunk of ice
    And our pettin' party was goin' real nice
    And I got an idea I might have been there yet

    So I give her a kiss and a little squeeze
    Then she said, "Travis, Excuse me Please
    But I just gotta have a cigarette."

    CHORUS
     
  17. Steve E

    Steve E New Member

    It seems the troops over there feel differently. Since they are putting their lives on the line daily I'm glad that they feel they are doing some good!

    Dan posted a very nice story.
    http://www.cointalk.org/thread11016-the-iraq-story-how-troops-see-it.html
     
  18. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    It seems as though the further from the action one gets, the more they proport to know about any given situation. The troops and relief agencies are mostly positive. The home-bound pseudo-intellectual is skeptical and non-supportive.

    Similarly, I believe that this phenomenum explains why so many Phd theses are conducted in remote areas where others can not second guess the results and conclusions. The most complex and extravagant theories seem to come from areas where information is sparse. After the completion of the thesis, the author becomes a college professor.
     
  19. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Actually, a thesis is the final step in the completion of a master’s degree. A doctoral dissertation and oral defense are the final steps before a PhD is granted. What remote area do you live in my friend? It’s just getting embarrassing now.
     

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