Since I agreed in the thread that this was suspicous, I give you the point. However, it is like cutting the throat of a man that was already shot to death. Why bring down the smaller building when the towers are already rubble? There is a really easy answer to my question that you cant even come up with. (-2) You seem to want to bait me into answering this question in some fashion that you hope/think that I will. Ok, I'll bite. One main reason for dropping WTC7 was that it was a "command and control" center coordinating SOME of the events of that day. They were simply getting rid of the evidence which was already a preconceived part of the criminals agenda.
http://bushstole04.com/911/mineta_confirms.htm This is as close as I can get to a "short" further explanation on the Minetta testimony. Too bad one can't just post simple "one liners" to stimulate the lazy, non thinking public, but some of the aspects of 911 do require a bit more analysis.
E-rings/aluminum balls was sorta challenged (but not in a very coherent way), but I won't count that one yet, so, still at (4). Cell phone technology is technically still in dispute, (albeit by only one misguided soul), and at least one agrees with me, so we'll stay at (4) for now. Quote: No responses to the passenger manifest listing supposed hijackers. check (5). Again, I don't know anything about this so you get the point. One point for Tom (0) Don't know anything about what exactly? The passenger manifest? The non existent cell phone technology of 2001? Or whether the e-rings were penetrated by the intact nose of the airplane, or the big balls of melted aluminum that evaporated once they got inside the 6 layers? If you think it was the nose of the plane...please answer indicating that. If it was this mass ball of melted aluminum evaporation that made all the plane parts disappear outside, then went in an punched 6 holes inside, then...it evaporated? Please....you must have an opinion.
The way I understand it is that you believe the plane was shot down by the government. That is a possibility and I will give you the point. However, have you ever considered that the hijackers detonated a bomb on board that damaged the plane sending some wreckage to the ground in that spot while the aircraft traveled another 2-8 miles before crashing. If you don't admit that is a possible scenario as is your government shoot down, then you are the one with blinders on. Either way Again...sure....that's possible....that just wasn't the official story, remember? So can I take that as an admission that the plane parts were indeed scattered over 2-8 miles??
Glad you brought it up...Pearl Harbour was "allowed"to happened. US goated Japan to attack so they could have an excuse to get into the war. Very "george bushish" wouldn't you say?
The cause of 9/11/2001 were by MUSLIMS...MUSLIMS acting no differant than their prophet and 1,400 years of islamic madness (hence what is called MOTIVE!). 9/11 was NOT the first attack by islamic animals on these United States...just a long series of this jihad behavior. Go back over 200 years ago when our country was first starting out. Off the coast of, what is now Libya, muslims regularly attacked American ships of commerce using the same tactics as they do today...ransom, beheading, pillaging, and antaganism to peaceful commerce UNLESS the "Tax" was paid to the Muslim Caliph. The terrorist prophet mohammed was all about collecting unearned money as he is today. Islam is a mind-set of criminality to all and cannot exist in a peaceful society. This is why Jihad is preached daily in over 2,000 American mosques. The U.S. objected and war was formally declared by Muslims against America, what is called the Tripolitan War 1801-15. (Sing it with me..."to the shores of Tripoli) The pirates/animals of islam continue to operate in those same waters today but islam has now come to our shores preaching and plotting Jihad against us. 9/11 was merely a murder of 3,000 humans and a $$ Trillion face slap against FREEDOM...by "true" muslim animals who are simplty behaving like they always have since this religion's inception.
Oh please...islamic pirates, hijackers, and of course...TERRORISTS are NOT a new thing. These muslims have been doing this nonsense since the inception of this religion. Let's look back at some of your muslim buddies in action over the last generation... Remember the TWA Flight 847 islamic hijackers? How about when muslim animals hijacked the Archille Lauro and threw Leon Klinghoffer (69 year man) in a wheel chair overboard? Of course, when muslims killed all of those Marines for Allah, were you surprised by these animals ACTIONS? Well then...for the last 1,400 years, islam has been at war with those that don't buy into their crap... So...why are you so surprised by the MOTIVES of more muslim animals doing what they do best...DYING FOR THEIR ALLAH IN JIHAD!! 9/11/01...just another day of more muslim madness.
Popular Mechanics Lies #1 Intelligent people assert that: It is now, and it has been so for decades, that it is "standard operating procedure" to intercept airplanes by the military, that do NOT respond to communication with the FAA. Popular Mechanics claims that: In the decade before 9/11, NORAD only intercepted ONE civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. Fact Oddly, one of the very same folks that PM dubs as one of its' experts....Major Douglas Martin, says that from Sept. 11 to June, NORAD scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462 times, almost seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001. 462 Times in that period ALONE. Last time I checked... 462 is more than ONE.
PM lie#2 PM misrepresents the physics of fires, claiming Jet fuel burns at 800º to 1500ºF. Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100ºF., And at 1800º it is probably at less than 10 percent. Here they imply that flame temperatures and steel temperatures are synonymous, ignoring the thermal conductivity and thermal mass of steel, which wicks away heat. In actual tests of uninsulated steel structures subjected to prolonged hydrocarbon-fueled fires conducted by Corus Construction Co. the highest recorded steel temperatures were 680ºF. Didn't see anything about "annealing"..Did you? Now they claim "thermal expansion". My oven get almost 680 degrees. It didn't collapse or melt, far as I can tell.
Okay dude, For the last time. The annealing point of steel is between 600-650 degrees Celsius, not Fahrenheit. After steel reaches this temperature, the physical properties are changed and it loses it's strength and ability to carry a load. Your oven has absolutely nothing to do with anything. And even if it did reach 650 degrees Celcius, no part of your oven carries a significant load, and the melting point of steel is over 1300 degrees Celsius so why would you ever think it would melt. Your normal posts make you sound like a conspiracy nut. Posts like this one make you sound dumb.
I think you're the dumb one. WTC steel never reached anywhere near 650 degrees celsius....the got to 650 FARENHEIT, MUCH LOWER THAN 650C. One more time....the steel beams got to 650 FARENHEIT (which is 343 Celsius...much,much lower than your "annealing" temperature. HALF of what you say annealing occurs at. Was math your weakest subject????
What you don't understand is that the truther fairy or whomever told you that the fire inside the WTC towers only reached 650 F is wrong. They lied. The truth is that a routine structure fire can easily reach a temperature exceeding 600 Celsius. There is evidence that the temperatures inside the WTC did reach over 600 degrees Celsius, the buidlings collapsed. But you go on and keep believing that a small army of governement hired mercenaries planted nano thermite charges on the beams prior to 9/11 in two of the largest buildings in the world in a 4 day period. Just one more question Tom. In most conspiracy theories, the underlings of the conspiracy are eliminated to protect the secret. How did the goverment dispose of all of the people involved in order to maintain that secret? You won't answer the motive, maybe you will answer that for us. BTW, you can know anytime you want. Post the poll to see if you won the debate, chicken.
Leigh: Good Job! I'm glad you survied the fire at the aluminum plant, and construction acidents are tragic. I have several frinds that are commerical construction workers and I always worry for them. Tom: wow the dedication to a lie. What if you tried to solve cancer, or rase money for the homless so much suffering could be aliviated in the world! It took me a long A$$ time, but i've re-read this entire thread. Went on a sales trip for two weeks, and had to go to the sadest funeral ever. a guy I went to high school with killed himself, it is tragic when at 25 people have noathing to live for. Also Tom u mentioned we care more about money then the "truth"...well I did 6 figures in sales for my company and get to eat this year and pay for my rent and health insurance, and put some money in the old IRA so yes your right I do care more about living than arguing with you. Thought I would hop in to an importnat part. Leigh you gave tom to many points in the point post he should lose another two maybe three 1 for being wrong and 2 for lieying he says "No attempts at "Hani was an expert pilot" thing. Again..check (11)" I'd like to preface this with I have not read the bs at 911 pilots for truth in a while, but none the less this is just to easy to critique these clowns The argument that Hani couldn't do it is 100% the opinion of the pilot he offers zero facts to support his conclusion. Things that go aginst the piolots oppionon. 1. he admited that a piolot could pull this move off. He even says that he could do it. That means that it was possible. 2. He admits that Hani could get lucky. So yeah tom no points for you. The man was on a suicide mission. The amount of adrenaline exct could easly healp him pull off an amazing flying move 3. You never had a good answer that 911 piots is a hack organzation that is out for profit. They make money off of people like you Tom. To get there "research" you have to buy there dumb ass dvds for 60 bucks. If they really cared about the "Truth" then they would post the information for free for the whole world to see. its a question of credibility and they don't have very much. 4. Even a blind squirl finds a nut sometimes. Even the piolt says it could happen and guess what it did. Next issue ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nothing credible on 93's wreckage from 2-8 miles away. check. (6) The thing that was 8 miles away was a burnt check, The FAA are on record saying that the winds could of blown the paper that far.and yes a bomb exploding on the plane would easly make sense. Also they cought the shoe bomb terroist not long after 9/11 on a plane so it is very possible that they had a bomb, or maybe a missle shot the plane down and it is classified. None the less like I have said about this the whole time. It does not disprove that terrorist took over the plane orginaly. Multiple passangers called loved ones, and even talked with Airline staff telling them there plane was hyjacked. So this is still damn good proff that the planes where hyjacked by terrorist. Flight 93 kills the conspiercy multiple witnesses. Herroric actions by every day americans. It just puts a big ass whole in your theory ( oh yeah you don't have a theory)
You claim to be big on proof yet you make up your own nonsense regularly. Where's your "proof" of the temperatures that you claim? That from the 911 Omission report? NIST? Where can I specifically reference the actual temperatures at that actual fire on that actual day in the actual WTC's? Let's see...Perhaps it was you who measured it...or perhaps it was this woman standing inside the burning hot tower itself. Oh WAIT....the building must have already cooled back down in less than an hour after it "roared up" to those incredible temperatures you fantasize about. Yes...that's it!!! It heated up to killer temps, then cooled back down so that the blazing fire residual temps were cool enough to allow her to stand there...UNBURNED...So....to review.....IN LESS THAN ONE HOUR., fire heated to the steel to "anneal" it, then cooled on back down...in less than an hour.
Speaking of "inaccuracies" (and I don't mean the grammar)..What do you do?? Just pick topics and then post whatever you want to make up at the time??..or is it that you just refuse to research anything? You guys are a joke. There's a "big ass whole" somewhere alright.
Obvious complicity using common sense It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers. So WHO was actually in charge on 911?? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying. Imagine that. Well..better throw that out too..folks seem to be short on common sense....Lemme see....hmm. Now for the brainless response...(Ahem) Well....the gov't always lies...I'm sure they had good reasons for lying.
OMG, you did not seriously call someone else brainless. One day you are going to wake up from your paranoid fog and realize two things. First, you will realize how stupid everything you think about 9/11 actually is. Second, you will realize that you wasted your entire life in pursuit of your own stupidity. The debate is over Tom. Anytime you want to find out who won, stop cluckin, and post the poll.
Far and away your dumbest post of the entire thread. So dumb in fact that I won't even explain why because everyone but you already knows why. Stop cluckin and post the poll.
Close this thread already. You either belive it was a government plot or you dont. All this bickering and those long long long posts are just silly. No one is going to be convinced either way.
