For the record. The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Most of the verses say the same thing kill, conquer, convert - the convert is because Allah is merciful. Some verses say that a christian or non believer can live among muslims as long as the nation becomes an islamic nation, the christain pays a tax and lives substandard existance until they or there children accept mohammad as being the true messenger of Allah. etc. A non muslim can not have anything greater then a muslim which is why no one would insure a building in USA today to be the biggest in the world, For now on they will either only be in muslim nations and/or owned by an individual muslim. Islam is a relgion of total dominance not peaceful co-existance. I will not copy and paste any more text and say what I have been saying for years on this site and many years before that..... just read the koran for yourself and then you will know what your children and grandchildren are going to have to deal with.
Andy with regards to the case here in the UK there was wide spread condemnation of what happened by Muslims I would also say that this is not the 1st case of it's kind, but the others have been committed in the main by non muslim pedophiles and as such did not generate the same news coverage as this case did.
It is simply classed as another form of arbitration and pertains to such matters as financial, domestic violence and family marriage breakdowns. Both parties must agree to using it, but and I must stress this it is not at the expense of British law. It is used in the same way that Jewish (Beth Din) law is used. You can read more here http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/govern...zens_guide_to_the_judicial_system/500346.html
It feels nicer to say that everything is ok but the facts are that they are not. They are just practicing what was preached to them and I am sure that some who spoke out against it meant it but I have seen for myself that many others would say one thing to an outsider then something else to each other. But it is easier to say that it is a relgion of love for then one feels safer and better about themselves but that is not the reality.
Does not sound like the British government is protecting the females with both parties have to agree to it. They are basically saying you have to go against your community if you want us to do anything about it. What happens after the verdict. They could lose the court case and then what, They could win but still live in the same neigborhood and then what. Sorry but the western world should enforce civil rights type laws across the board and with full measure without giving in to laws from another culture from 600 CE or something that does not look upon women as equals.
Wrong I suggest that you take the time to read up on it. There is no compulsion to take the rout of Sharia or Beth Din it is voluntary. We have outlawed forced marriage's in this country we have the Human rights act, we have Hate crime laws. I don't think we are doing so bad. Your problem is you refuse to see any good in any one who is a Muslim you give those who stand up against the hate mongers little credit and then it is grudgingly given. Do you complain about the Jewish Beth Din? Also Civil rights work both ways and they include allowing people to worship whatever deity they choose and if they wish to live life as strict adherents of that religions code then so be it with the proviso that they understand that British Law is paramount. When they fail to do so, they face the full weight of the Law.
I think that the difference is that no one wants to impose the Jewish Beth Din over all nations' people. However, in my opinion is that if you go to live in a country then that country's laws should be sovereign over all of its people, including your own group of immigrants. No one should be able to pick and choose whatever court their crimes or complaints should be tried in, unless the choice is between civilian and military courts.
Hi Holly, I see that another poster is throwing the jews into a muslim discussion. How often have I heard over the years that anytime someone says something about islam the left or an islamist or someone misinformed by the left sprouts something about the jews. Fact is the jews for the most part have contribute to the nations they have lived in and consider themselves to be what that nation is with their religion either being second or less whereas once the numbers have grown the sunni or shia islamics want to change that nation into an islamic one be it block by block, neighborhood by neigborhood, county by county until they have it all. Unless England decided it wants to be western and democratic it will be transformed in a few generations into another muslim nation state owing allegance to the kuwaities and Saudis. Over the years I have read in various islamic publications how they will one day control the nuclear weapons of Europe for Europe will be muslim. Now I wonder if someone is going to throw up the hasidic jews who as I understand them do not believe in any nations, have no interest in converting or conquering anyone and just waiting around for the messiah to come as they live in thier own little world.
OK these are not criminal courts they are for civil matters only and there is no coercion to go that rout it is entirely voluntary Andy I assume that you are referring to me, you commented on how things work here so I pointed out that it is ok for the Jewish population to have there own arbitration system then why not for muslims, after all you went on about civil rights. Or do you believe that muslims do not enjoy the same civil rights as those of the Jewish faith? Can I ask how long you have lived in my country? and what exactly you know about British (not English) Law? Have you interacted with any muslims? or do you base your ideas simply on what you have read. I am not having a go at you here I am simply trying to fathom were you are coming from, it is quite plain that you have a intense dislike for muslims but why? I have lived in close proximity to many muslims for years one of my best friends is a muslim but you wouldn't know it if you met him or his family, his daughter is going to marry a English Catholic man. My neighbor on the day of the twin towers attack was a muslim lady she spent the day in tears crying about what people had done in her name! Her husband condemned the attack publicly in the mosque round the corner to us! Please do not assume that all muslims are evil terrorists or even support such actions or that they wish to take over the world, for the greater part they are no different to you or I and simply want to live in peace.
I lived with muslims for quite some time in the middle east. I saw what happen in Leb. but this is not about me, this is about what is happening in the world. The biggest victims of islam are muslims themsleves. Be it that they are smaller sects that are constantly being raped and murdered by the Sunnis' or Shia mainstream, the women born into islamic nations whom for the most part are considered property, or the boys themselves who spent hours and hours learning the Koran and learning to hate. At one time the middle east and egypt was the cradle of ciilivation. leaders in science and art now the mind set is closed. As far as for your friends, that is what needs to happen. They need to be modernized and I am not speaking about builidng posh housing in the gulf nations, I am speaking about being open minded and viewing everyone as equals. The sad thing is that the western leaders for the most part bend over backwards supporting the wrong people and the agendas that they are pushing. I mentioned many times that I have had muslims friends. Some are dead now, killed by muslims. Others are living in the US for they would be killed if they returned home. That is just the way it is.
Thats the Mid east Andy you are throwing them all into the same pot, I have had Christian friends killed by other Christians dont mean that I now detest all Christians. What I will agree with you on is that yes my govenment does at times bend over backwards to stop them selfs been called racist etc by others. We should expel those who come here and preach hate or those who dont like our laws.
And here is what UK is doing . God forbid they might offend the Arabs! http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olym...ich-Christine-Brennan/56509176/1?csp=34sports
Did the USA hold a moment of silence for them at there last Olympics summer or winter by any other host nation at any event since this tragedy hapened? why do you decide to have a go at my country?
I agree with De Orc. It's made quite clear in the story you cited that this isn't a decision made by "the UK." In fact it's clearly an issue which is solely related to the IOC:
Would like to point out that the BBC commentator did mention of that tragic event during it's coverage of the opening ceremony
The Saudis from the middle east are one of the big three, other two being pakistan -Sunni and Iran - Shia, behind the pushing of religious war. They want a fundamentist Sunni Society. People are dying in Africa by the millions because of them. The moderate sunni muslims are targeted as well for it is a religous war. They spend billions of dollars placing Imans to preach in religious schools that they build to brainwash the kids. They have been doing this since the 1980's. At that time we had intelligence on this and it was a national security agenda of concern item. So you have an entire generation grown up under this brainwashing and that is the Arab Spring, that is the Sudan, that is Mail, Kenya, Nigeria, etc. They spend billions of dollars sponsering terrorism. They get the United States to spend trillions fighting, arming and just plain funding their goals.
So the muslim nations are not upset with the terrorist action but by honoring those killed by the terrorists. Kinda of proves my point doesn't it as well as show how the west leadership is enabling this jihad mindset instead of trying to change it by supporting those muslims with a progressive mindset and who are living in the year 2012.
The IOC isn't "west leadership," but if you want to think that it is, who am I to disabuse you. De Orc mistakenly addressed his response to you, but you'll notice that my post was addressed to rlm's cents, and only dealt with the question of who was responsible for preventing any sort of official remembrance.
