Don't like Obama? You had better watch out!

Something about this reminds me of Nixon/Watergate!
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2128...s_to_Be_on_President_Obamas_Enemies_List.html

Sorry, but it will not let me correct the title.

Done it for you sorry about the delay not been well

 

It's an outrage! VanderSloot seems like such a nice guy, too.

 

Obama needs to be careful if he's going to start a witch hunt. Has anyone ever heard of Bill Ayers?

 

None of the lefties here have heard anything negative about the freak

 

Why do you need to go past Holder? That idiot is going to single handedly do what the Republicans have been trying for 4+ years.

 

None of us? Absolutely none? No one? Not a single person here who you would consider to be a lefty has ever heard anything at all negative about Ayers? You want to provide your supporting documentation for this assertion? Just give me a minute to make some popcorn.

 

So, what have you about the guy that's negative?

 

Just about everything regarding him that has appeared on Faux and in the RW Blogisphere since he cropped up as a minor diversion in Obama's campaign for Pres. And in the Washington Post, which I think covered the story early on. And in any media right left or otherwise than gives the details of his history at all.

That he was a member of the Weather Underground 40 years ago and that said Weather Underground was responsible for bad things like protest bombings. That seems to be the main complaint against him. Also I think he gave a some money to an Obama campaign at some point, which in RW eyes is probably just as bad as anything else he did.

To not know these things is to be pretty politically out of touch. So now I think you need to answer MY question. What's the basis for your assertion that none of the 'lefties" on this board have ever heard anything bad about him?

 

Just the fact you' call his association with BO a "minor diversion" says it all.

 

Can't answer the question can you? You pretty much specialize in baseless assertions, don't you? If you have nothing, which is of course the case, you can always say that you heard it from a stranger in the dessert line at spaghetti feed somewhere.

And by the way, it was a minor diversion. It didn't stick and it didn't really slow him down. It simply wasn't a big enough deal for enough people. I'm not making a value judgement I'm just saying that's the way it was. Don't blame me if you don't like it.

 

I don't have to answer at all, really- your reply sufficed quite well, thank you very much. To call Ayers a "minor diversion" and not know that he is a terrorist, a killer, a drug dealer & bank robber as well as a political mentor to BO is living proof you have been shielded from the whole story by your media outlets.

 

You haven't got an answer, have you? You rarely do.

And it WAS a minor diversion. If it had been a major issue with the majority of voters Obama would probably not be President today. Do you understand the difference between a fact and a value judgment? We might decry the fact that it didn't have more effect on the election. But the fact is that it didn't. How we feel about it doesn't change anything in that regard.

 

I don't have to answer at all, really- your reply sufficed quite well, thank you very much. To call Ayers a "minor diversion" and not know that he is a terrorist, a killer, a drug dealer & bank robber as well as a political mentor to BO is living proof you have been shielded from the whole story by your media outlets.

Read more: http://www.partisanlines.com/threads/dont-like-abama-you-had-better-watch-out.4387/#ixzz1uhjE9v41​

 

I don't believe it's a matter of not being a major issue with the majority of Obama voters. I think it's an issue of the Obama voters being ignorant of Ayers's past. When I say "ignorant", I simply mean they're uninformed. As you've said, Bill Ayers was plastered all over the conservative news outlets, but how many Lefties watch or read those? It certainly wasn't plastered all over the liberal news outlets. So, if the Obama voters are ignorant of Ayers's past, I really don't blame them too much; they simply didn't receive the information.

But, Ayers does indeed have quite the radical/terrorist past (from Wikipedia):

Early activism

Further information: Weather Underground (organization)
Ayers became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).[10] He rose to national prominence as an SDS leader in 1968 and 1969. As head of an SDS regional group, the "Jesse James Gang," Ayers made decisive contributions to the Weatherman orientation toward militancy.
The group Ayers headed in Detroit, Michigan became one of the earliest gatherings of what became the Weatherman. Before the June 1969 SDS convention, Ayers became a prominent leader of the group, which arose as a result of a schism in SDS.[8] "During that time his infatuation with street fighting grew and he developed a language of confrontational militancy that became more and more pronounced over the year [1969]", disaffected former Weatherman member Cathy Wilkersonwrote in 2001. Ayers had previously been a roommate of Terry Robbins, a fellow militant who was killed in 1970 along with Ayers' girlfriend Oughton and one other member in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, while constructing anti-personnel bombs intended for a non-commissioned officer dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.[11] Ayers was living in Michigan at that time.
In June 1969, the Weatherman took control of the SDS at its national convention, where Ayers was elected Education Secretary.[8] Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886Haymarket affair confrontation between labor supporters and the Chicago police.[12] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[13] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.[13][14] Rebuilding it yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast, and in January 1972 it was moved to Chicago police headquarters).[15]
Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan. Two major decisions came out of the "War Council." The first was to immediately begin a violent, armed struggle (e.g., bombings and armed robberies) against the state without attempting to organize or mobilize a broad swath of the public. The second was to create underground collectives in major cities throughout the country.[16] Larry Grathwohl, aFederal Bureau of Investigation informant in the Weatherman group from the fall of 1969 to the spring of 1970, stated that "Ayers, along with Bernardine Dohrn, probably had the most authority within the Weatherman".[17]

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Years underground

Further information: List of Weatherman actions
After the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion in 1970, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton were killed when a nail bomb being assembled in the house exploded, Ayers and several associates evaded pursuit by US law enforcement officials. Kathy Boudin andCathy Wilkerson survived the blast. Ayers was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal governmentlater filed charges against him.[4] Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Departmentheadquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Ayers writes:

Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy - weighing close to two pounds - it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt.[18]​

Some media reports and political critics have suggested that Ayers, Dohrn or the Weathermen were connected to the fatal 1970 San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing but neither Ayers nor anyone else has been charged or convicted of this crime.[19]
While underground, Ayers and fellow member Bernardine Dohrn married, and the two remained fugitives together, changing identities, jobs and locations.
In 1973, new information came to light about FBI operations targeted against Weather Underground and the New Left, all part of a series of covert and often illegal FBI projects called COINTEL.[20] Due to the illegal tactics[clarification needed] of FBI agents involved with the program, government attorneys requested all weapons- and bomb-related charges be dropped against the Weather Underground, including charges against Ayers.[21]
However, state charges against Dohrn remained. Dohrn was still reluctant to turn herself in to authorities. "He was sweet and patient, as he always is, to let me come to my senses on my own", she later said of Ayers.[4] She turned herself in to authorities in 1980. She was fined $1,500 and given three years probation.[22]
In 1973 Ayers co-authored the book Prairie Fire with other members of the Weather Underground which they dedicated to close to 200 people including Harriet Tubman, John Brown, 'All Who Continue to Fight', and 'All Political Prisoners in the U.S.'. The list includes Sirhan Sirhan, convicted assassin of Robert F. Kennedy.[23][24]Ayers himself has denied personally dedicating the book to Sirhan.[25]

 

The assertion that only RW propaganda outlets provided background on Ayers' past is beyond laughable. Ayers' background was all over the media left right and center. To not have known about it would have required living in a media-less bubble. To argue otherwise is I think merely a weak attempt to provide a reason for the fact that not enough people cared about it and more importantly not enough people cared about Obama's relationship with the guy (such as it was) to make it the big deal that the RWers had hoped it would be. This one flopped. Get over it.

I think you're on much firmer ground arguing against Obama in terms of his support of drones, pre-emptive war, assassinations by presidential fiat, domestic spying, and his distain for habeas corpus. Of course I don't think the Right had much of a problem with things like this during the Bush II regime so why would they now?

 

The liberal media may have reported some of Ayers's terrorist activities, but they certainly downplayed Obama's ties to the domestic terrorist. I believe the liberal outlets only reported on Ayers in response to the conservatives who initially brought him to the forefront. Otherwise, few liberals would have ever heard of Ayers.

 

As you like.

 

Maybe because at the time Ayers wasn't convicted, Obama was like 12-years old.
Did you ever consider that Ayers wasn't really any sort of issue until the Right tried to make him one. He was pretty much just a college professor when they thrust him into the public spotlight as a "domestic terrorist" and now the Right is all frothing at the mouth because nobody cares.
You'd think that they'd have at least as much outrage over Right-wingers killing doctors in churches and blowing up Federal buildings but that kind of domestic terrorism seems to get a pass from them. Maybe selective outrage isn't the best tactic? Ya think?

 

It seems to me that this "name and shame" operation really has little similarity to Nixon's enemies list.

1. It's right there in the open, while Nixon's list was never meant to be public, for a very good reason.

2. Those on Nixon's list were to be targeted for actions by the government:

Now, certain paranoid cranks may say that President Obama is planning to proceed against those named on the KeepingGOPHonest website using the same tactics, but as far as I can tell, no such thing has happened. In fact it would be very counter-productive to do so now that they've been named on the website, since that would be clear evidence of malfeasance on the part of the Obama administration. This little detail seems to have escaped those who are making the list an issue, but then again, logic has never been a strong point in political games.

Speaking of political games, this list is likely to have very little impact on the election, just as the well-known association of Ayers with Obama had (and will have) little impact.

I agree with Takiji regarding the policies for which President Obama should be held to account (not an exhaustive list, but certainly representative). I also agree that they aren't anything that the right is likely to make much of, since they're essentially continuations of policies which were instituted by his predecessor.