Hitler was a Socialist.

I am tired of hearing from the left that Hitler was not a socialist. He was the leader of the National Socialist Workers Party. In his own speeches and writings he stated his socialistic beliefs. If anyone wonders about the zero tolerance of the left's political correctness one only has to study how left's behavior was when in power from Pol Pot's killing fields of more modern times, to Hitler further back and of course the communist who as soon as they came to power in Russia started to kill off the other leftist such as the socialist which is where the phase, "The left likes to eat their own" comes from.
My first post after this will be a quote from one of the most infamous books ever written.

 

Not in any particular order but here is proof
1. Mein Kampf, Volume 2. Chapter 7- In 1919-20 and also in 1921 I attended some of the bourgeois [capitalist] meetings. Invariably I had the same feeling towards these as towards the compulsory dose of castor oil in my boyhood days. . . . And so it is not surprising that the sane and unspoiled masses shun these ‘bourgeois mass meetings’ as the devil shuns holy water.
2.Hitler’s speech on May 1, 1927. Cited in: Toland, John (1992). Adolf Hitler. Anchor Books. pp. 224–225. ISBN 0385037244"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
3. A History of National Socialism (1935), by Konrad Heiden-" Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years." Hitler.

 

I have no use for Socialism nor its ugly cousin Communism. I work very hard for my money and I'll spend it as I please and give it to whichever charities I decide. I don't need government intervention. Thank God we will only have another year or so of the ugly socialist idealists in power.

Pink Floyd said it quite well in their song Money:

Money
Well, get back
I'm all right Jack
Keep your hands off of my stack

 

The party was founded out of the far-right and racist German völkisch nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitarys It was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism. True Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, but were later changed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis, focus was shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes
Adolf Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf (My Struggle): "the basic ideas of the National-Socialist movement are populist (völkisch) and the populist (völkisch) ideas are National-Socialist."
I think that you are quite possibly correct about Hitler himself been more of what we call a left winger at the begining (you just have to look at his early life to see were he is comming from politicaly) But and it is important to remember that he was also a pragmatist and soon realised that he required big business and it's money and political influence to get any were The German Armed forces at that time woudnt have stood for a Communist or any other far left leader they were staunchly conservative in there outlook
By the Time he took Power in 1933 the National Socialist movement was no longer left leaning but Ultra right

 

I believe that you really have to look at political ideology as more than a one dimensional idea (economic). If you expand out to 2 dimensions (economic and social), you can get a better ability to discern between beliefs.

I believe that Hitler and Stalin were pretty much equal on the Social axis (top level authoritarian) but Hitler overall was a lot further right on the Economic axis than Stalin. But even Hitler was almost certainly further left on the Economic axis than most US politicians today. Maybe not someone like Kucinich but certainly when compared to mainstream politicians like Obama or Hillary.

And all politicians today are further towards libertarian on the Social axis than the Hitlers and Stalins although some republicans climb pretty high towards authoritarian.

So do I think Hitler was a socialist? Sort of but I think that is pretty simplistic. He was pretty far left on the economic axis. But then again all mainstream politicians in the US today would probably be to the right of him on that axis anyway. And there are no mainstream politicians in the US today who would even come near him on the social axis.

 

The Pussian generals it is said looked down at hitler but enjoyed the miltary glory and brought into a German Europe where they will be running regions as miltary zones. Power was their bribe. Many others like Goring himself lived like kings off of the Socialist System, gee didn't the communist leadership do the same in Russian. See below for reference.

National socialism, especially when forced on the banks and heavy industry at the point of a rifle or bayonet, allowed the Nazi leadership to enjoy untold riches, vast cash advances from lobbyists, from protection payments made from foreign governments, from huge rake-offs stolen from national and foreign ‘development’ designed to stabilize the German economy; from enormous foreign plunder designed to prop up the national bank; from the seizure of foreclosed homes and their later offering to German colonists at a discount; from seized land, buildings, artwork and jewelry from ‘bankrupt’
companies and foreign concerns; and from the forced Aryanization of domestic and foreign businesses and the division of their riches among the Nazi hierarch
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9806

Note: I am not saying Socialist are bad, I have alot of Socialist beliefs myself. What I am saying is that the left has the history of being the most dangerous political entity on earth when in absolute power. Thank God for Independents and Moderates.

 

The Nazis were just plain old fascists. Hitler was a Nazi. Why does it realy matter to you so much?

Fascism ( /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] It advocates the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy (such as eugenics).[3]
Fascists seek to purge forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration, and to produce their nation's rebirth based on commitment to the national community based on organic unity, in which individuals are bound together by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood.[4] Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[5] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state.[6]
Fascism promotes violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[7] It views conflict as a fact of life that is responsible for all human progress.[8] It exalts militarism as providing positive transformation in society, in providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to dominate in people's character, and creating national comradeship through military service.[9] Fascists commonly utilize paramilitary organizations for violent attacks on opponents, or to overthrow a political system.[10]
Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[11][12] Italian Fascists described fascism as a right-wing ideology in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism.[13][14] Fascism holds opposition and negation to many ideologies, groups, and political systems: it is anti-anarchist, anti-communist, anti-conservative, anti-democratic, anti-individualist, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentary, anti-bourgeois and anti-proletarian.[15] It entails a distinctive type of anti-capitalism and is typically, with a few exceptions, anti-clerical.[16][17] It rejects egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favour of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit and will.[18]

 

That definition is just what I was trying to tell you in http://www.partisanlines.com/threads/fascism-or-socialism-which-one-is-this-country-closer-to.3898/
but you insisted that it was

 

German National Socialism transformed itself into a Facist right wing regiem Andy now that is hard Historical fact and many of the Von's and Counts believed whole heartedly in Hitlers vision of the future, the ones who did not or who did not hide there disdain well they ended up like Rhome or in a camp or on the end of a meat hook

 

Hitler and the Nazis were more about authoritarian control and obedience to the state but here are some economic Wikipedia quotes about Nazis

 

Do you know the roots of Facism? ok in case you dont here is a little potted history

Facism itself is a combination of both Left and right wing political ideas and its origins go back to before the 1st world war and the Italian took it from the French LOL read up on The Action Française and national syndicalism
Italian Fasicm was based on a split within the Italian Socialist movement LOL with Olivetti forming the Revolutionary Fascio for International Action in October of 1914
Mussolini took controll in 1919 and with the help of the Associazione fra gli Arditi d'Italia founded the Fasci italiani di combattimento If you want to know were the Blackshirts came from then check out the Arditi
Hitler was a admirer of Mussolini and his Italian facist machine and they remained friendly right up to the end

Forgot to add that you might find it of interest to read up on Anton Drexler he was Hitlers political mentor in the early years

 

For Moen

Where does the word "fascism" come from?

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Fasces (plurale tantum, from the Latin word fascis, meaning "bundle") symbolise summary power and jurisdiction, and/or "strength through unity."

The traditional Roman fasces consisted of a bundle of birch rods tied together with a red ribbon as a cylinder. One interpretation of the symbolism suggests that despite the fragility of each independent single rod, as a bundle they exhibit strength. Wartime symbolism added an axe amongst the rods. Numerous governments and other authorities have used the image of the fasces as a symbol of power since the end of the Roman Empire. Italian fascism, which derives its name from the fasces, arguably used this symbolism the most in the 20th century.

This was an italian thing. not german.

You are mistaking the Nationalist Socialst totaliterian Hiitler with the totaliterian Benito Mussolini who was the fascist and somewhat allied with.
It is like saying the United States was communist for we were somewhat allied with the communist totaliterian Stalin during ww2
This is a common ploy actually pushed by the left for they want to be seen as the good guys when they try to suppress others with political correctness, etc.

 

Modern China is certainly further right (economic axis as I alluded to before) of where Russia was under, say, Stalin. But that does not mean it is not, overall, very left of where we (Europeans, UK and USians) are today. I would say that same would work if you substituted Nazi Germany for Modern China.

 

Hitler was a nut & Totalitarian...he knew he could manipulate the masses by creating a common enemy during a period of a disasterous economic state.

 

Some of the programes implimented by the Third Reich were without a doubt very socialist in apperance such as insuring a minimal living standard for German citizens, Health care etc but underlying it all was the ideal of Nationalism and the building of loyalty and comradeship just look at the Hitler Youth, sure they were expected to obay orders but at the same time they were expected to be able to think and take action without those orders This is were they differ vastly from Stalins Russia there they were not expected to think or act without orders from above
The other thing that these social reforms did was to give the people a belief in Hitler, He was seen to improve there lot and to keep his promises to them

 

Russia had Stalinism as a type of communism.
Germany had the National Socailist Workers Party that was only for Aryan people. \

I wonder how many people who wrote about hitler and what they said he was actually read his book which was a monster best seller in Germany at the time for most of the German people agreed with it for it was built upon German thought that preceeded it and a mind set that was around before world war one.

 

This is why I mentioned Drexler had you heard about him previously and his association with the Fatherland Party or the völkisch nationalist movement?

 

My impression is that Nazi Germany was the idea of socialism as benefiting the state as the state was supposed to be the most important thing. That is why Hitler would allow private enterprise if it benefited the state. But that private enterprise would still be subservient to the state. If it private enterprise did not benefit the state, it would be nationalized. Everything revolved around the state, loyalty to the state, ensuring the greatness of the state, the purity of the state, etc.

My impression is that Communism, on the other hand, was the idea of socialism as befitting all the workers as the workers were supposed to be the most important thing. Communism would not allow such private enterprise at all because it would not be seen as of benefit to all the workers. Everyone should be of benefit to the workers.

While the Nazis were to the right of the Commies, both ideologies are far left of what we are today. Even under Obama.

 

OMG, he sounds just like a Republican. Fear Fear Fear. Be afraid. What's the terror level today?

 

Don't know... don't care... but I'll bet there's a 'Fear of Obama' level/guage out there somewhere in cyberspace... ...it'd be interesting to see how high the sucker is right now.