1.5 trillion in revenue...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Stujoe, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    The Pesident is calling for reducing the deficit by adding 1.5 trillion in revenue. I call BS.

    Tax revenue: $1.5 trillion.

    Of the total revenue raised by tax changes, $800 billion would be realized by letting some of the Bush-era tax cuts expire for high-income households -- something Obama has called for repeatedly.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/19/news/economy/obama_debt_plan/index.htm?hpt=hp_t1

    BS alert! That $800 billion is already off the books as gone after this year. All projections are based upon current legislation and that legislation says they are gone. So the net is now 700 billion because the 800 billion doesn't count as additional savings since it is gone if nothing at all is done.

    But, wait, the $3 trillion for the rest of the Tax Cuts that he wants to extend is also already off the books after this year so he is actually adding that 3 trillion dollars back into the deficit by reversing current legislation.

    What he has done is count something that is already legislated as a new $800 billion dollar savings and ignored his addition of 3 trillion dollars that results from reversing current legislation.

    So the real net effect from his revenue plan is to increase the deficit by $2.3 trillion dollars over current projections not reduce it by $1.5 trillion.

    Awesome.
     
  2. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Democrat New Math.
     
  3. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Class warfare! CLASS WARFARE!!!!! :mad:
     
  4. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    Naw, just a politician who knows his marks won't realize what really happened to the pea that is supposed to be under that shell.

    Similar to the Buffet Tax.
     
  5. PTD
    Fiendish

    PTD Administrator Moderator

    Why even bother listening to Obama? In the end he'll just kowtow to whatever Boehner and Cantor want him to do.

    /edit... funny how the spell correct wants to change Boehner to "Boner", shouldn't that be Weiner's word?
     
  6. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Aren't you assuming that Obama will let the Bush tax cuts expire? And where is the historical evidence of that ever happening? I'd be more inclined to believe that the Republicans, in their infinite pandering to their wealthy donors, will cut a deal to make the tax cuts permanent if the Republicans promises to fund the school lunch program for another 6 months but only if the cost of funding that 6 months is off-set by reducing FEMA benefits for disaster victims and subsidized heat for poor elderly people is cut off on Christmas through Easter and then only if three of the biggest unions are declared illegal and planned parenthood is forbidden from offering any services to actual female patients. I think I got both sides about right.
     
  7. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Yeah, the same thing happens when I type "Obama". Spell check changes it to "Incompetent".
     
  8. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    There is no assumption. Obama has no choice in 'letting them expire'. It is current law that they expire. Anything else is new legislation he would be proposing that should obviously be counted as such in any math used, if one is to be honest.

    Current law is what the CBO uses in their budget projections too. So, if you are going to propose new legislation to extend the tax cuts, the honest thing to do is to count them in your budget projections as what they really are...additions to the current deficit projections. They are not zero's or reductions in the ledger. That is a lie. If the Republicans lie like the President just did with their plan, I will call them out too.
     
  9. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Stu, Stu, Stu, Stu,.....(Sorry, those three keys stuck....in that order.....and the comma key.....and the shift key......but only during the "S" key sticking....I can't explain the multiple periods at the end) However, at the same time the Right-wingers will say that Obama raised taxes not that he let the Bush tax breaks expire. Why is it in his best interest to frame this proposal any other way? It's all semantics for political advantage. So what else is new?
     
  10. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    If you propose new legislation, there is no justification for not adding the cost of that legislation into the budget other than intentional deception. I fully know why they do it but I also fully believe that it is ridiculous for anyone but them to defend that kind of intentional deception.
     
  11. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    The Bush tax cuts expired at the end of 2010, the law of the land now is the Obama tax cuts.
     
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  12. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I usually call them the Obama nee Bush Tax Cuts or something similar but I got lazy. ;)
     

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