Motorcyclists Opposing AW's "Church" Gang

http://us.cnn.com/2006/US/02/21/funeral.motorcyclists.ap/index.html

Military funeral is the last place to make a political statement, glad people are drowning these whacko Aidan Work Churches type people out.

This is an obscene quote from the news article:

"Shirley Phelps-Roper, a daughter of Fred Phelps and an attorney for the Topeka, Kansas-based church, said neither state laws nor the Patriot Guard can silence their message that God killed the soldiers because they fought for a country that embraces homosexuals."
"The church, Westboro Baptist Church, is not affiliated with a larger denomination and is made up mostly of Fred Phelps' extended family members."

 

Disgraceful isn't it? But aren't we lucky we have such upright organizations as the Southern Poverty Law Center looking out for us. Well, so much for free speech and freedom of religion, unless it's done the way WE happen to believe it should be done. Right?:thumb:

 

Freedom of speech and religion is one thing, and should be respected. But so should the sanctity of a dead soldiers funeral! Where they get this notion that these soldiers were killed by their God to avenge for some alleged gay support in the USA is beyond comprehension.

 

That may be true to you and I , but then I don't happen to believe it is necessary to dance around the church with a hand full of rattlesnakes either. There are some folks that do and they believe the Bible tells them to do this. You wouldn't catch me doing such stunts, I can tell you. Having said that, it is still their right to do as they see fit in America. That is what allows people like you, myself and Danr to say what we do and be abler to continue doing it.
In some parts of the world it wouldn't be allowed, and you know it. That is the price of"Freedom".:thumb:

 

How can you possibly consider this a freedom of religion issue. These people are not dancing around church with rattlesnakes( which they have the freedom to do,animal rights aside) they are spewing hate in public in the most tasteless and inappropriate manner.

Bill

 

Although I agree with where the Westboro Baptist Church are coming from,I disagree with some of their tactics.By the way,I'm an Anglican!

Aidan.

 

What is wrong with that Bill? After all we allow Danr and his kind do the same thing here on this forum, and they call it 'free speech' here in this country. Haven't they heard of that yet in Canada, or did you just get there from some place else?:whistle:

 

I agree with you Bill.
Freedom of speech doesn't give people the right to be idiots at other people's expense.

 

Freedom of speech doesn't abrogate the rights of others. For instance you have right in the USA to spout off whatever you want(as long as it is not critical of the USA Government lately, apparently or you might get wiretapped and get a visit from the MIB's) but this does not give you the right to restrict the rights of others. This is a concept where most Americans do not understand their own constitution and the rights it guarantees, they believe they have a right to do whatever they want, but actually this is not the case, in reality they have a right to do whatever they please with religion, speech, etc as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.

A military funeral for a fallen soldier is a remarkably reprehensible theatre for expressing one's opinions in opposition to a perceived notion, no matter how far out there it is.

 

Ah, there is hope for you yethya:

 

Just because you have the freedom to say something, doesn't mean you should. Imagine just having lost your loved one in a war and having a group of lunatics show up at the funeral and spouting off their religious dogma while you are deep in the mist of grieving. I might just aim the 21 gun salute a bit lower if ya know what I mean.

 

I have lived here all my life. We do have free speech but at the same time we don't allow people to spread hatred.My real point was that you specifically mentioned the words "freedom of religion" and I don't see how that applies in this case.

Bill

 

Bill,you could read the Books of Leviticus & Romans,or look here; www.godhatesfags.com .

Aidan.

 

Aiden. Don't try that stuff with me. I'm not going to hate a group of people because you think your imaginary friend wants me to.

Bill

 

Bill,don't forget that the Romish cult is full of filthy subhuman faggots.Their stance on homosexuality is proof in itself how hypocritical they really are.No matter whether it is the branch in Canada,the branch in the Romish rebel pirate state that is the Republic of Ireland,or New Zealand,they're all the same - bigoted as well as racist!

Aidan.

 

I can not help but laugh at that

 

Well it seems that we agree with this. It seems that we actually agree on more issues then we disagree on.
I think way to much hatred today is being passed off as freedom of speech and as we know there are laws on the books against inciting to riot, etc..for those idiots are provoking the mourners and then hiding behind the police and TV camera crew.

 

Aiden. You seem to spend a lot of your energy hating people. I don't know who you hate more catholics or gays. Either way,my point was that no matter what you say you won't get me to hate along with you.

Bill

 

OldDan, I completely agree with you. FREEDOM is the foundation of America and even though I am vehemently opposed to the Westboro Baptist Church's tactics, I can't argue with their right to free speech. They shouldn't disturb a funeral under any circumstances, however.

From your comment, I assume you're referencing the American ideal that we are free to do as we wish as long as we don't infringe on the rights of others.

So (a little off-topic), in a free society such as America, I have to ask the question, "How does the marriage of two same-sex humans infringe on the rights of others?" This question isn't necessarily being directed to you personally, OldDan, but to everyone reading this topic.

I believe the same American ideaology (freedom) that allows the Westboro Baptist Church to spew their hatred should certainly allow gay marriage.

Whether personally resentful of gay marriage or not, every freedom-loving American should realize that basic rights are being infringed upon.

 

They're in the same class.

Bill,homosexuals & Romish people (especially those who support Sinn Fein/I.R.A.) are in the same class - lower than that of pigs & cattle! My family & I are extremely anti-republican to the hilt,as we are of Scots descent like a lot of Canadians are. Monarchy is the best system for both Canada & New Zealand.I don't like the politicians though,because they are so corrupt as well as braindead.

Aidan.